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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: kland] #171555
01/28/15 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland

So would you say the trumpets end after the close of probation? Otherwise, what would this mean to you?


The Seven Trumpets are announcements. It is not the events to be occurred before the close of probation but it is to make the announcement before the close of probation. If you read the each of the Seven Plagues and then read the Seven Trumpets, you may understand them better.

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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171562
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Jesus offered prayers of saints that filled the golden vial at the altar of incense which ascended up before God.

Rev. 5:8 "… and golden vials full of odors, which are the prayers of saints."

Rev. 8:3-4 "And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand."

The Seven Angels with the Seven Trumpets must announce that the golden vials, which is full of prayers of saints, will be poured out as the Seven Plagues prior to the Angel of the Lord (Jesus) cast the ashes of the censer upon the earth.

Rev. 15:7 "And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever."

Rev. 8:5 "And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: …."

Rev. 16:1 "And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth."

Prayers of saints went up to the throne of God and in the response, it will be poured out back to the earth as plagues if not worthy to receive the prayers. Have you noticed the golden vials that was filled with prayers of saints change to vials of the wrath of God?

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: kland] #171574
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Have you noticed the golden vials that was filled with prayers of saints change to vials of the wrath of God?
No I haven't. Do they?

Originally Posted By: Karen Y
Originally Posted By: kland

So would you say the trumpets end after the close of probation? Otherwise, what would this mean to you?


The Seven Trumpets are announcements. It is not the events to be occurred before the close of probation but it is to make the announcement before the close of probation. If you read the each of the Seven Plagues and then read the Seven Trumpets, you may understand them better.

Karen

But what does this mean to you?
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I saw angels hurrying to and fro in heaven. An angel with a writer's inkhorn by his side returned from the earth and reported to Jesus that his work was done, and the saints were numbered and sealed. Then I saw Jesus, who had been ministering before the ark containing the ten commandments, throw down the censer. He raised His hands, and with a loud voice said, "It is done." And all the angelic host laid off their crowns as Jesus made the solemn declaration, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." {EW 279.2}

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: kland] #171582
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Originally Posted By: kland
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Have you noticed the golden vials that was filled with prayers of saints change to vials of the wrath of God?
No I haven't. Do they?


Prayers of saints went up from the earth. In the time of the Seven Plagues the bowl of the golden vial will pour out back to the earth.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: kland] #171585
01/30/15 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland

But what does this mean to you?[quote] I saw angels hurrying to and fro in heaven. An angel with a writer's inkhorn by his side returned from the earth and reported to Jesus that his work was done, and the saints were numbered and sealed. Then I saw Jesus, who had been ministering before the ark containing the ten commandments, throw down the censer. He raised His hands, and with a loud voice said, "It is done." And all the angelic host laid off their crowns as Jesus made the solemn declaration, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." {EW 279.2}


Jesus is our High Priest. He is now interceding for us in the Most Holy Place. Please study the Leviticus Chap. 16. The earthly HP finished his task on the Day of Atonement when he taken the ashes out. Thus I understand when Jesus throws down the censer and says "It is done", it means no more intercession available in the sanctuary above and the probation has closed.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171596
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Yes, prayers go up from the earth, but that doesn't mean they are the plagues in the vials to be poured out.


And yes I agree, when He throws down the censer, probation is closed. Then the trumpets sound. I thought you were disagreeing with that. How are the trumpets a warning if probation has already closed? Now they could be a war trumpet.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: kland] #171624
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Prayers of saints ascended to the golden altar(Rev 8:3). Prayers went up when the martyrs cried out, "How long, O Lord, … dost thou not judge and avenge our blood …?" In response to their prayers, it was said to them, "until…should be fulfilled" (Rev 6:10-11).

We are told that the wicked "shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;" (Rev.14:10).

God's golden cup is being filled as the prayers of saints ascend. Rev. 5:8 "…and golden vials full of odors, which are the prayers of saints".

When the golden vial is full it will be poured out upon the earth. Rev.16:1 "…Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth."
Rev. 15:8 "…and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled." The martyrs' prayers will be answered when the cup of the golden vials fulfilled and it will be poured out back to the earth as the Seven last Plagues.

The Seven Trumpets' vision is foretelling the events of the Seven Plagues. The plagues will fall due to what has been done during the probationary time. So the warnings should go out prior to the close of the probation.

Notice that the angels "stood at the altar", which indicate that they were watching the prayers of saints come up and filling the golden vial during the probationary time. "The judgement was set, and the books were opened" (Dan. 7:10) and the "thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him". So the angels with the seven trumpets watched the Investigative Judgment while Jesus was ministrying in the heavenly sanctuary.

Since the scenario of the Seven Trumpets is fortelling the Seven Plagues, God's people may discern the blueprint of God and warn the world while the probationary time last in short. Like the three angels messengers are of the people of God, the Seven Trumpeters should be the people of God blowing the sound of the warning.

1 Cor 14:7 "For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?"

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171648
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Are all golden cups, golden vials, and golden censers all the same? Are the 24 elders and 4 creature's golden vials the same as the 7 golden vials? Can we take all mention of golden vials in the Bible and apply them the same way? I mean, it could be, but is that a valid conclusion to draw?

Maybe you're leaving something out, but it seems there are some jumps made.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: kland] #171656
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Isa. 34:16 "Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them."

Isa. 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

Rev. 5:8 "…the 4 beasts and 24 Elders…having…golden vials full of odors, which are the prayers of saints." Prayers went up from the earth to fill the golden vials in the heavenly sanctuary.

Rev. 8:3 "…having a golden censer…offer…the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne." The prayers of saints mixed with the sweet incense of Jesus' ministry in the heavenly sanctuary.

Rev. 16:1, 15:7,8 the voice from the temple(the throne of God) => the 4 beasts => seven angels have seven golden vials full of the wrath of God => upon the earth.

Do you see the order of the sequence changes to backwards when the Seven last Plagues fall upon the earth?

Matt. 16:19 "…whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #171657
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Because saints of God send their prayers to the throne of God, there is a judgment of God in response to the saints' prayers.

The saints that began in the earth belong in the Seven Churches. In response to their prayers, the throne of God is set for the judgment. We find that this is the Investigative Judgment in Rev. Chap. 4 and 5, and Jesus is worthy to open the sealed book.

Jesus is the one who loose the each seal. Thus we find that the Seven Sealings literally happens on the earth just as literally the Investigative Judgment goes on in the heaven.

Ultimately the 144,000 will be sealed. The Seven Trumpets will sound in a Loud Cry to call for a repentance for the kingdom of God is at hand.

Those who refuse to repent and blaspheme God will receive the Seven Last Plagues.

Consequently, the Babylon the great will collapse and the Second Coming of Jesus occurs.

Finally, the saints enter the New Jerusalem and they will have a privilege to review the judgment of God during the millennium.

The Book of Revelation is, indeed, the story of redemption for the whole universe!

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