I said "also".

That is true - and that is why I would prefer to have that discussion earlier than later.

But in a great majority of the cases we spend our time with non-SDAs defending the first 6 points in that 7 point list. Points that even the majority of pro-sunday Scholars do not object to - and that is sort of odd because they are opposing the subject on the very points where the majority of their own pro-sunday scholarship says they are not in harmony with the Bible.

in Christ,

Bob

I have posted the Westminster Confession of Faith, and D.L. Moody on this subject - but I can also post the "Baptist Confession of Faith" -- Catholic sources and many other evangelical and protestant sources - all affirming that 7 point list. -- for those interested.

I am interested.

Post it all here with links to the source, as the link to the source adds to the validity of the quotes, etc.

Actually you said, "It also explained it very nicely". Which means that you also explained it very nicely. That is what he is wanting to know, where did you also explain it very nicely?

Kland, ask JAK. I explained my view very nicely. I was thorough. He agreed with some of it - just not all of it. He can tell you.

Who wrote this list? Did you write it? Is it a paraphrase?

It (the 7 point list) is my list -- it is original with me.

The list notes that I agree with 6 of the 7 points affirmed by the majority of even pro-sunday scholarship --- and I strongly object to the 7th point that summaries their position.

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These statements are an example of claims made by the majority of pro-Sunday sources - and 6 of the 7 are actually correct according to the Bible!.


Yes that is right - 6 of the 7 are actually common ground between Sabbath keeping and Sunday keeping Christians.


1. That the Sabbath Commandment is first given to mankind in Gen 2:1-3
2. That all mankind was obligated by the TEN commandments in the OT and to this very day.
3. That the seventh day as the Sabbath was Saturday the seventh day of the week from Gen 2:1-3 until NT times - including at the cross.
4. That the Ten Commandments are the moral Law of God
5. That the moral law of God is written on the heart under the New Covenant
6. that the Ten Commandments as the moral law of God are in no way opposed to grace and the Gospel.
7. That the Sabbath commandment can rightly be BENT by man-made-tradition to point to week-day-1 after the cross.

I agree with 6 out of 7 as listed above - and yet many who post against God's TEN commandments object to all of the points listed above. And sometimes they will even go on to complain that so many of the points above are in agreement with my position and opposed to the war-against-the-Ten-Commandments position.

So glad to have someone interested in the text and the sources -

Baptist Confession of Faith --- first


The Baptist Confession of Faith - section 19 almost identical to the Westminster section 19 quoted above.

Notice how they both fit that 7 point summary already posted on page 1?



Unrevised from 1689

Links that remain as of today
http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc01.html
http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc19.html


As revised by Spurgeon 1855

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/bcof.htm
http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/bcof.htm#part19


Section 19:

C.H. Spurgeon's edition of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" -- CH Spurgeon



“The Perpetuity of the Law of God”

Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.

Section 19 of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" .

Section 19
. The Law of God
• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

• To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it __________________[/

D. L. Moody


THE TEN COMMANDMENTS text by D. L. Moody
http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html
Fundamental Baptist Institute
http://www.fbinstitute.com/
http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html
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