Exactly, it was the Gentile proselytes who heard Paul the first Sabbath who begged Paul to preach to them the next Sabbath and gathered all their friends to listen to Paul.

And it does not require the KJV to prove this!

What do you have against the KJV?
In that particular passage in Acts 13, it is the most accurate.
I find it has higher rate of accuracy than many of the others, though sometimes the others are more accurate.


In Hebrews 4:9 the NIV is more accurate, as it differentiates the "rest" as "Sabbath rest", rather than just "rest", showing it is a different word than that used in the other texts speaking of "rest".

Do you see value in looking at the original language?
Do you see value in comparing different translations on key texts to see which one is most like the original?

Did I say I have anything against the KJV? Nope! But Evangelicals I interact with do! And they do not see a need to use the archaic language. They are unconvinced. That is the problem. The KJV only crown have a problem communicating with some of these people.

As for me personally, I have a large library of versions and software to search and compare versions and lexicons to aid in study, all integrated with the writings of EGW and the APL (Adventist pioneer library).

People who favor the KJV aren't primarily Adventists.
You may find this study interesting:
The Most Popular Bible Translation

Personally I like to compare --

But we are getting off topic.

This thread isn't about Bible versions, but about finding Biblical passages that "irrefutable" give evidence for all TEN Commandments remaining.

I personally find it important to know as much as I can about those verses and get as close to the original meaning as possible.

For Acts 13:42
We could use the Hebrew Names Bible (HNV)

So when the Yehudim went out of the synagogue, the Goyim begged that these words might be preached to them the next Shabbat.

Or the 1599 Geneva Bible

And when they were come out of the Synagogue of the Jews, the Gentiles besought, that they would preach these words to them the next Sabbath day

Or the Jubilee Bible 2000

And when they were gone out of the synagogue of the Jews, the Gentiles besought that these words might be spoken to them the next sabbath.

Or the Modern English Version MEV

When Paul and Barnabas went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles asked that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Or the World English Version WEB

So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Yes, it is interesting when studying the teachings of early protestants that indeed they did teach these points.
Six of which we can find common ground with.

Yet, when presenting the Sabbath to Sunday observers, so often they deny these six points.

It would probably be good to be fluent in some of these teachings FROM PROTESTANTS themselves when talking to Sunday observers, for these things do not merely "come from EGW" as so many are quick to say, they are basic principles of Christianity.

Of course #7 is a problem --
Matt. 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Point #1 I find is often refuted now, many will say the seventh-day was not really a "day" since the "evening and morning" phrase isn't repeated, (even though the word "day" is mentioned three times), and that God didn't "command" anything, it was God that rested from creating.

But Jesus says --"The Sabbath was made for man" Mark 2:28
And the text in Genesis specifically tells us God, blessed and sanctified the day. This is referred back to in the 4th commandment as cited in Exodus 20.

The theistic evolution theory has considerable to do with this point being denied as well.

Point #2 Indeed they believe there is an obligation to God's law, for why would they have "commandment days" and lobby to have the commandments posted in schools, and other public places? Yet, when it comes to the Sabbath issue, we are often told those commandments were nailed to the cross, no longer binding.
But it wasn't the law that was nailed to the cross -- it was our sins that were nailed there as Jesus bore them to cross.

Col 2:13-14 ESV
13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, by nailing it to the cross.

Point #3 The Bible is clear that the 7th day Sabbath, Saturday is the Sabbath all through scripture. AND, as we've seen, the Bible also shows the Sabbath continues AFTER the cross.

Point #4 Yes, the 10 commandments are God's moral law. Yet, the argument I usually am given concerning this, is that the ten commandments aren't really the moral law, they are much to sparse given simply to hold people in line till Christ came with better laws like the Sermon on the Mount.

Now many people do make the mistake of thinking the 10 commandments only deal with the outward act mentioned, yet those commandments go much deeper than just the outward act. Jesus held up the magnifying glass so we can see deeper into what those commandments are. They affect the whole of our love for God, our relationship with others, and our inward moral condition.

Point #5 Fully agree-- the new covenant is God's law (all TEN commandments in their deep and thorough moral wholeness) that is written upon heart and mind. However, there are big arguments against in the Christian world against that now, as people will take Ex. 34:28 "he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments" and say, see, that is the old covenant and the NT says that is passed away. Then they go to Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." And say, "see there is a change of law"...

Of course, Hebrews 7:12 isn't talking about the moral law, it is talking about Jesus (of the tribe of Judah) being a priest, (only Levites were allowed to be priests) but that law was not binding upon Christ's priesthood who was a priest after the order of Melchisedec.


God's whole law suffers when people fight against one precept of that law.

So we started off with a discussion of (I thought) the Sabbath...

Then dedication side-tracks it with a jump to the Gentiles...


Then she completely derails it by leaping to the synagogue...


So, dedication, when I say that's exactly what you are--all over the place. When you can't answer one argument you simply change to another topic...

So, just for clarification:

The discussion (as per the title) is evidence for all Ten Commandments remaining.

Bobryan has given some excellent material for discussion on this topic and I hope he continues.

The Sabbath, being the one commandment Sunday observers do not accept in it's specific Saturday day application, is an important part of the discussion.

The argument against keeping ALL ten commandments (with the Sabbath question as central) which is often given is that the commandments were given to the Jews (not to the Gentiles).

Thus the Acts 13:42 verse (as well as other texts in the NT concerning Paul and His companions worshipping on the Sabbath) are part of the topic.

Most people realize the Jews keep Saturday as the Sabbath -- but is it relevant for the Gentile, that is the question we often meet when having Bible studies with others.

Thus, yes, that is part of the topic to define the texts that deal with the Sabbath in the NT.

When it comes to the first six points in the 7 point list some of those who oppose the Ten Commandments will oppose almost all of them - if not all of them.

So then we provide the Bible texts that affirm the first 6 points - and the response is "well that is just you, or just your denomination". When the discussion gets to that point -- then all of the references (and more) on the first few page of this thread are helpful in proving that in fact it is the majority of pro-sunday scholarships that affirms the first 6 points.

The hopeful result??



Bob