In my forum postings on this thread I have shared that the seven trumpets are the warnings for the seven plagues as well as a wake up call to church of God.

I realized that I have created a confusion about Chap. 19 of the armies of the white horse. My apology!
Thank you, Dedication, for you have made a clear point about the armies of Chap. 19 that they are the host of angels. I totally agree with you.

I meant to say that the 144K are the ones "these are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth" (Rev. 14:4) and "they that are with him (Lord of lords, and King of kings) are called, and chosen, and faithful" (Rev. 17:14). The 144K have "gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name" (Rev. 15:2) when they stand on the sea of glass because they followed the Lamb just like the armies of heaven follow Jesus.

The armies of heaven are the horsemen. "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses,…" (Rev. 19:14). The number of the "horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand:" (Rev. 9:16). They receive a command from the temple to "slay the third part of men" (Rev. 9:15) at the sixth trumpet which indicate that the four angels in Chap. 7 are released their "hold". "Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates" (Rev. 9:14), says the voice from the "four horns of the golden altar which is before God" (Rev. 9:13).

At a point of time, the host of angels of the horsemen obey the command of God immediately to "slay the third part of men", which clearly indicate that the mercy of God have reached the limit and the wrath of God released in judgment of Seven Plagues.

There will be no God's judgment executed without any warning. Even the 'Investigative Judgment' has made known in the first angel's message. "…Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters" (Rev. 14:7).

Each of the Seven Trumpets are talking about "hurt" of the Chap. 7:1-3. I have shared this overview on 4-2-15 posting of this thread. Thus we are told that the close of probation is imminent. The church must be awakened with a life giving sound for "if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?" (1 Cor. 14:8).

Mark, I do not believe that James White has ever interpreted the seven trumpets. Uriah Smith has borrowed a historical interpretation from non-SDA, which were popular at the time. I believe that a knowledge of the sanctuary service and the Investigative Judgment are essential to interpret the book of Revelation correctly.
The redemption of mankind are written in the sanctuary service. "Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: …" (Psalm 77:13). So we must interpret the Book of Revelation in the perspective of sanctuary and not by a historical approach.
The matter fact every chapters of the Revelation have imagery of sanctuary.

Karen- "Talk to souls in peril and get them to behold Jesus upon the cross, dying to make it possible for Him to pardon. Talk to the sinner with your own heart overflowing with the tender, pitying love of Christ. Let there be deep earnestness; but not a harsh, loud note should be heard from the one who is trying to win the soul to look and live" - Maranatha pg 105

EGW- Every man who bears the message of truth to our churches must do his duty by warning, educating, rebuking. Any neglect of duty which is a robbery toward God means a curse upon the delinquent.(Special Testimonies to Ministers, page 307)

I hope you are not saying that we are not to warn and even rebuke when necessary? EGW has much along these lines. Bottom line ONLY those who sigh and cry about sins in the midst (church, and our own life) will be sealed.

"Show them where they are making a mistake. Set their danger before them. Tell them of the sins they are committing.."(4BC, p.1149)

The work of Christ's servants is not merely to preach the truth; they are to watch for souls..They are to reprove, rebuke, exhort with long suffering and doctrine." (Testimonies, vol. 5, p.237)

"There are times when words of reproof and sharp rebuke are called for. Those who are out of the way need more than soft words to bring them back." (PH 0705)

"They hate the one who rebukes at the gate, and they abhor the one who speaks uprightly." (Amos 5:10)

"Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way.."(Proverbs 15:10)

"Keep the warning message of truth before the people.. We are to cry aloud and spare not. Some will pay no heed, but others will repent and be converted."(CW p.174)

So to address your idea that the 144,000 are sealed just with the Sabbath sign is incorrect--they must do as the Elijah message says--sigh and cry for the sins in the midst. If they fail to do this , not matter how much they speak of the prophecies, they will fail to be among the 144,000.

Karen did you see the link I put in my post for you? It was to James White's article on the seven trumpets. I was hoping you'd scan it.

I agree and probably most people here agree with you that Revelation has to be studied in the context of the sanctuary. But we'll have to disagree on the trumpets. As brother and sister, that's OK.

Do you have any thoughts on the seven thunders? They come in at the sixth trumpet just before the Two Witnesses but I think that, like the Two Witnesses, the thunders may span much of the trumpets. Again, any thoughts?

GLL, the GC produced a video recently called "What Might Have Been . . . and What Can Be" (or something close to that). And although I don't agree with dramatizations it was a call to repentance so I give them credit for the message if not the medium. Adventism isn't Babylon yet. We're in the death throws but it seems like we only have a vague conception that something might be wrong and not much, if any, sense of urgency. Only God can save us from ourselves.

Will the Lord send us another Elijah? If we didn't listen to Ellen White or Jones and Waggoner will we listen to someone else? Some will, but it will be a remnant. Elijah will indeed come in the power of the latter rain. The latter rain will fall on those who sigh and cry for the abominations done in the land and in the church. But this is the spirit of Christ. He spent whole nights in prayer pleading with God for His people, for us, but morning by morning he went out to minister, full of hope and grace.

Also Karen, you may have addressed this, and if you have you can refer me to your post(s) but I'd also like to know how you fit the Two Witnesses into the trumpets and thunders. What is their role if any in proclaiming the thunders and trumpets? You're probably aware that Ellen White applies all of Revelation 11 to the future and that she admonishes us to study that chapter because, she says, it's a description of what will take place in the cities of the world. If you need the SOP references, let me know.

Mark- Adventism isn't Babylon yet. We're in the death throws but it seems like we only have a vague conception that something might be wrong and not much, if any, sense of urgency. Only God can save us from ourselves.

The SDA church has never been Babylon , nor will it ever be. As we posted many times a church purification (Mal 3:1-5, Rev. 12:15-17, Hosea 1-2, Many SOP references,etc.) is to be performed by the Lord then the Loud Cry will come.

“Only those who have withstood temptation in the strength of the Mighty One will be permitted to act a part in proclaiming it (the 3rd angel’s message) when it shall have swelled into a Loud Cry. (Review and Herald, Nov. 19, 1908)

The 144,000 are found to be the converted ones who have walked in the Elijah prophet's proclamation of the Lord's last message , which is the warning message of His "suddenly comes to His Temple" (Mal.3:1).

The positive instruction that we must "sigh and cry" for the abominations in our life and the church, I believe is nothing more that the Lord's validation that they are indeed loving the Lord and hating sin.

Excellent post GLL. Yes, the ship will go through. This is a prophetic message given by God. The three angel's message will be given as sure as the Word is true. But it will be the remnant who have "withstood temptation" and are crying and sighing that give it. Now, there's a challenge for all of us, especially the youth. Let's pray for the bride of Christ.

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/ thoughts on Daniel and the Revelation

Mark, this link might be helpful to your query regarding who wrote the interpretation of the seven trumpets; was it James White or Uriah Smith(?). Arthur White, custodian of the EG White manuscripts, has told us the answer.

You mean
https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1945/01/thoughts-on-daniel-and-the-revelation

Elder White admitted the futility of his attempting to go on with the work, and announced that, since he was away from home much of the time, "Brother Smith has consented to conclude the book, commencing with Chapter X."—Ibid., Oct. 21, 1862.

Mark, please let me know the SOP references. I would appreciate that. I have also mentioned about the seven thunders in this thread in the past. I hope that you can find it. If not, I have to find another time to share my understanding of that.