Really... Glad you think so.

What kind of discipline should be administered? Shall we take the wayward member outside the camp and stone them?

Please reread all the Bible passages posted on this thread. It is clearly stated in the Bible that the Church is obligated to proclaim and to defend the truth. Members who reject any one of the truths must be properly disciplined.

Please tell us, what is proper discipline. Stoning? Shunning? Crucifixion? Being swallowed up by the ground? Being bitten by fiery serpents? What? What is the proper discipline???

Sorry for the delay. Continuing checking MM verses that he views teaches that leaders should discipline members on manners of doctrines.

Up to now, I haven't found any of these texts supporting this.



I don't see this one addressing discipline in matters of doctrines.


Here again it is not saying rebuking in matters of doctrines but in matters of godly behaviors.



This is the 2nd text that mentions doctrines in context but also relates to behavior. However, it doesn't come close in saying to discipline members on matters of doctrines.

The translated word "obey' in verse 17 is "peitho" that Strong has define as "to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy, to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively, to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty)."

So the Concordant version has translated this text as
CLV Hb 13:17 Be |persuaded~ by your *|leaders~, and be deferring to them, for they' are |vigilant for the sake of your *souls, as having to render an account, that they may be doing this with joy, and not with groaning, for this is disadvantageous for you.

Acts 15 and much of Paul's writings is dealing with Judaizer teachings (that wanted to revert back in keeping OT types and shadows) that was a main problem in the early church as they needed to transit from the OT form of keeping the law to the NT (aka New Covenant) form of keeping the law.

Yes this was a very serious doctrine related problem.

However in any of Paul's texts or Acts 15 relating to this serious doctrinal problem, I did not read yet one disciplinary actions in any form taken towards them. The way they address the problem is trying to persuade them of their errors by teaching(going to the Bible) and sharing revelation the Lord gave them.

MM I appreciate the effort to provide Biblical texts to support your position, however I don't appreciate the fact that most of these texts did not even address disciplinary measure relating to doctrines. You only gave a bunch of texts without underlining or comenting on any of them, alluding there were plenty of evidence and all of these addressed the question. I found it kinda deceitful of your part while not respecting my time and effort in this discussion having to check all of these by reading the whole chapter to see the context trying to see what you saw in these, to see there was nothing in it. I don't think you weren't out to being purposely deceitful, and you are convince in your own mind in this subject; however we need to have some biblical support. Showing text that says the leaders have authority is far from proof that you can discipline other members on question of doctrines.

In all of these texts(17) only three(+-) were of matter of doctrine, however no disciplinary action were mentioned in any.

1 Corinthians
5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

2 Thessalonians
3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
3:15 Yet count [him] not as an enemy, but admonish [him] as a brother.

2 John
1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:
1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

2 Timothy
4:1 I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Jude
1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
1:8 Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Titus
1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
1:12 One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
1:15 Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Jesus Himself gave the Jews "70 weeks" to retain their status as chosen people. But they refused to comply with the conditions. He was forced, therefore, to abandon them. In their place, He raised up the Christian Church. He commissioned them - "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you". People who understand everything Jesus commanded and then reject part or all of it must not be baptized.

A baptized member of the church comes into your church service, you believe they do not hold to the 28FB. What do you do?

The church member does not agree 1) the seventh-day is the Sabbath, 2) Jesus will return to take us home, and 3) dead people remain in the grave until Jesus returns and resurrects them. The church member is very vocal about it.

The passages I posted above describe what to do about it.