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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
[Re: Elle]
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05/12/15 09:54 PM
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The church member does not agree 1) the seventh-day is the Sabbath, 2) Jesus will return to take us home, and 3) dead people remain in the grave until Jesus returns and resurrects them. The church member is very vocal about it. The passages I posted above describe what to do about it. 2 Thessalonians
3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
3:15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
[Re: Mountain Man]
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05/13/15 05:46 AM
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The Bible describes in no uncertain terms what happened when Israel failed to live in harmony with God's word and will. The Church is obligated to proclaim and protect the truth and to encourage her members to live accordingly. When members understand and refuse to live accordingly discipline is necessary. God bore long with Israel. Long. Very long. Even when they went backwards, not forwards, which was from the day they left Egypt. Very very long. That is part of His character.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
[Re: Elle]
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05/13/15 09:37 AM
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We do not all agree on this point. Some of us understand the Scripture as meaning we should keep our church records clear and disfellowship any person who disagrees with us or is not an active member. On the other hand others stress the patience we are to show each other and the responsibility we have in looking after our members.
Many years ago I listened to one of the greatest soul winners we had in the General Conference. I was surpriced to hear him say that he had never in his whole ministry disfellowshipped a church member. He felt it is our obligation to retain a member as long as life lasts and show them brotherly love and compassion, praying for them.
At the beginning of my ministry - about 55 years ago - I visited a church member we never saw in church, and I guess I "threatened" to dismiss him from our memberhip records since he showed so little interest. With his pipe in hand he told me how much that memberhip meant to him, and that he was very proud of being a Seventh-day Adventist.
We need the subduing influence of the Holy Ghost as we approach this task and make a study of the guidelines.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
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05/13/15 01:55 PM
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God bore long with Israel. Long. Very long. Even when they went backwards, not forwards, which was from the day they left Egypt. Very very long. That is part of His character. Amen! He is longsuffering and abundantly merciful. During the time He bore long with Israel He repeatedly disciplined them - over and over and over again. He "admonished them".
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
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05/13/15 01:58 PM
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With his pipe in hand he told me how much that memberhip meant to him, and that he was very proud of being a Seventh-day Adventist. We need the subduing influence of the Holy Ghost as we approach this task and make a study of the guidelines. Amen! Thank you for sharing, Pastor.
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
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05/13/15 01:59 PM
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Some cases demand discipline. The church member does not agree 1) the seventh-day is the Sabbath, 2) Jesus will return to take us home, and 3) dead people remain in the grave until Jesus returns and resurrects them. The church member is very vocal about it. The passages I posted above describe what to do about it. 2 Thessalonians
3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
3:15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
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Please reread all the Bible passages posted on this thread. It is clearly stated in the Bible that the Church is obligated to proclaim and to defend the truth. Members who reject any one of the truths must be properly disciplined. Excepting, as you have stated in the past, when you disagree with them. Do you not understand what how the 28+/- will be changed this next session, after they approve women's ordination? What will you say then? You will agree, but yet you do agree it's not in the Bible. You do know they will reword them to say something to the effect that women can be ordained....
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
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05/14/15 02:39 PM
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Kland, good point. Not sure if the Church will rewrite the 28FB to accommodate WO or if they'll add a FB to reflect WO. Since I agree with WO it wouldn't be a problem for me if they did. But if they changed the FB to include a doctrine I believe is wrong or unbiblical I would simply disregard it. I would not, however, reject the Church as unworthy of leadership or conclude it is no longer the voice of God when in GC Session. I have no doubt the Church will uphold the FB until the day Jesus returns. That is, I know in my heart the Church will never change the Sabbath from the seventh-day to the first, or declare the deceased are in heaven in spirit form, etc.
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
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05/14/15 02:54 PM
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But if they changed the FB to include a doctrine I believe is wrong or unbiblical I would simply disregard it. So you would then accept discipline because you reject part of the FB? OR, you would discipline a member that rejected part of the FB because THEY believed part of a FB was unbiblical? Wow... are the FB a creed? The only creed we should have is the Bible.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
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05/14/15 10:41 PM
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We should remember that the Bible is our only creed.
Now, having said that, was does the Bible say about maintaining the discipline and purity of His church? For His church to be a chaste virgin for Christ must involve both discipline and purity!
So, I don't believe the question is "Should Members be disciplined", but when and how should church discipline be administered.
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