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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17317
01/24/05 07:44 PM
01/24/05 07:44 PM
Daryl  Online Canadian
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Tom W. asked, "Is it possible that he simply stood by mesmorized by a talking serpent and said nothing?"

Adam was mesmorized and Eve wasn't? Isn't that far fetched speculation?

If Adam were there and sensed that his wife was in any kind of danger or deception by something that they never experienced before, and at the TOKOG&E at that, which God uttered a very clear warning against eating any of that fruit (See Genesis 2:16,17 below), and he saw that the serpent's conversation was geared towards trying to get Eve to eat some of it (See Genesis 3:1-5 below), would he be mesmorized into stunned silence over it, or would he sound out a warning to his wife and then flee with her from that forbidden tree?

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Let's ask that same question a different way:

If you were there and sensed that your wife was in any kind of danger or deception by something that you never experienced before, and at the TOKOG&E at that, which God uttered a very clear warning against eating any of that fruit (See Genesis 2:16,17 below), and you saw that the serpent's conversation was geared towards trying to get your wife to eat some of it, would you be mesmorized into stunned silence over it, or would you sound out a warning to your wife and then flee with her from that forbidden tree?

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17318
01/24/05 10:40 PM
01/24/05 10:40 PM
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Mike,

Thanks for reminding me that this is an SDA forum and that all points presented will be biased towards the perspective presented in the SOP.

Now answer me this......

Lets suppose that I have never heard of the SOP and that I have just read the account of the "Fall of Man" in Genesis for the first time.

After reading these passages I come to the following conclusions.....

1. Eve was tempted by the serpent to eat the Fruit of the ToKoG&E, but she was "not" present at the tree when she was tempted.

2. One day when she and Adam are together and are standing at the ToKoG&E, she takes some of the fruit and eats it and then gives some of the fruit to Adam, who also eats it.

Would these conclusions be a contradiction/conflict from what is presented in the Bible?

If these conclusions are not a contradiction of what is presented in the Bible, then why would I wish to accept an alternative explanation of these events which can not be cooborated by Scripture?

Bob D

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17319
01/24/05 10:48 PM
01/24/05 10:48 PM
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Daryl,

I think that Tom adequately responded to your reply to my post.

I can only add one thing and that is
Genesis 3:6 clearly states that Adam was with Eve when she ate of the fruit from the ToKoG&E.

I would be very hesitant to present/support an alternative explanation to this passage. I take the warning given in Revelation 22:18,19 very seriously. I believe that this warning can be applied to all Scripture.

Bob D

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17320
01/25/05 12:35 AM
01/25/05 12:35 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike Lowe:
Bob, this is a Seventh-day Adventist forum. Does it really surprise you that we believe the SOP is an authoritative source of inspiration?

That being said, Mike, there remains a large number of dedicated, sincere, believing Adventists who accept Scripture as their sole source of inspired writ. Reading between the lines that says they do not accept EGW as inspired.

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17321
01/25/05 01:42 AM
01/25/05 01:42 AM
Daryl  Online Canadian
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I draw everybody's attention to Fundamental Belief #17 of the Seventh-day Adventist Church:

quote:

17. The Gift of Prophecy:

One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

[Caution] Our forum rules expects everyone here to respect this and any other fundamental belief of the SDA Church. [Caution]

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17322
01/25/05 02:05 AM
01/25/05 02:05 AM
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We know what it says, Daryl, we just don't agree. And Disagreeing is not necessarily being disrespectful. I completely respect your right to your belief system, whatever it is.

With all due respect, this is another topic (which I would love to explore) and we should really abandon this diversion or repost it elsewhere.

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17323
01/25/05 02:08 AM
01/25/05 02:08 AM
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Daryl,

I point your attention to the last sentence of Fundamental Belief #7....

" ........They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested."

Can you with all honesty state that the SOP is in total agreement with the depiction of the Fall of Man as it is presented in Genesis 3?

i.e. The Biblical account states that Adam was with Eve when she ate the fruit.....The SOP states that Eve was alone.

Bob D

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17324
01/25/05 02:21 AM
01/25/05 02:21 AM
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We should stick to the topic...

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17325
01/25/05 02:45 AM
01/25/05 02:45 AM
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Cedric,

This is totally in harmony with the topic of discussion. Daryl has introduced this topic concerning the phrase "who was with her" in Genesis 3:6. I do not know what his intentions were in doing this because there are two clearly defined lines that are evident within this discussion....Those who accept the SOP perspective and those who take the Bible for what it has clearly stated.

Going on past experience, I do not see any participants in this discussion crossing the line to the other side.

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17326
01/25/05 04:09 AM
01/25/05 04:09 AM
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Your call, Daryl.

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