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Re: Where is the Ark of the Covenant? [Re: Windsor] #171774
02/12/15 10:49 AM
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Precisely. The blood was sprinkled over the ark on the Day of Atonement, and we don't believe the antitypical Day of Atonement occurred on the day Christ died, in 31 A.D.

Re: Where is the Ark of the Covenant? [Re: Windsor] #171781
02/12/15 02:44 PM
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Wyatt was a fraud - - let's just be clear...


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Where is the Ark of the Covenant? [Re: Windsor] #171783
02/12/15 03:38 PM
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Thanks. I want to be sure no one knew of a place in the Bible which speaks of two ceremonies on the ark before I conclude there isn't. They assert so confidently, speak so continuously, leaving no space for thought and consideration of what they just said.

I found a reference to this on the site:
Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Do you think they intend sprinkling the "book" is the same as sprinkling the "ark"?
Sounds more like someone doing their best to support Wyatt's claims. Especially when you read some various commentaries about whether the "book" was actually sprinkled or not.


I'm still astounded by Wyatt's claim of the chromosomes. I've often speculated mused about it myself. But with humans, having one less chromosome, one extra one, or even pieces of chromosomes causes all kinds of problems. He comes across as an amateur (guess he is!) who knows a little bit about genetics, but not very much who fantasizes about ideas without understanding what it would mean. He must have thought Jesus would only have half the human chromosomes, but someone pointed out to him that then He would be female. So he must have then said, that God contributed one human Y chromosome giving a total of 24. Fantastic. Except, if God could have given one human chromosome, why not the full complement? Wasn't Jesus fully human and fully divine?

Mental attempts at gymnastics like this is what have made me realize that Wyatt has something lacking. Thanks for the link. It has some videos I'll try to download and watch. Not that I'm interested in him, but want to confirm my assessment of him. I'm guessing he's a fast talker, one who doesn't take no for an answer, and will talk over others. Could be wrong, but guess I'll find out.

By the way, I remember the arkfiles net from the link being where I had heard this. Anyone know anything about these people?

Re: Where is the Ark of the Covenant? [Re: Windsor] #171814
02/13/15 09:18 PM
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The subject of Ron Wyatt is what I started writing about on this forum. jamesonofthunder was/is a strong follower of Wyatt and damned by anyone that does not believe him or Wyatt. I have a long time friend that has written of his own direct personal experience with Ron Wyatt. His written testimony can (again) be found here: http://www.ldolphin.org/wyatt1.html


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Where is the Ark of the Covenant? [Re: Windsor] #171816
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More on the Wyatt fraud: http://ldolphin.org/wyatt.html


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Where is the Ark of the Covenant? [Re: APL] #171821
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Originally Posted By: APL
jamesonofthunder was/is a strong follower of Wyatt and damned by anyone that does not believe him or Wyatt.

Originally Posted By: APL
Wyatt was a fraud - - let's just be clear...


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Re: Where is the Ark of the Covenant? [Re: Windsor] #172080
02/25/15 05:19 PM
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Thanks for the links. I also searched and found other things. Now I may be biased against Wyatt, I may have already formed an opinion of him before I actually heard and saw him on video, so my view may be tainted. One nice thing I can say about watching and hearing him is that he sounds .... confident.

But....he strikes me as someone who knows everything about everything and has the speaking ability to pull it off. He may be sincere, but that may be sincerely wrong, or he may have what one suggested is a disease in which he cannot distinguish between reality and imagination. I heard a segment where he had a question and answer period, and he came across as having had lots of people who had criticized him.

The question I was listening to had to do with the blood samples. He still strikes me as not really understanding what he's talking about. It wouldn't surprise me that originally he said they got chromosome counts from the blood cells. When someone criticized him, he then changed it to white blood cells. In the answer, he comes across condescending by saying, "no way I know you can get a chromosome count out of dead blood". Then he gives details on how it's done. Someone must have educated him on reality. Then he makes up more things, keep talking about "dead blood". Then adds some dramatic emotional appeal to his answer. So authoritative. So confident. An expert in presentation.

In an interview with Colin Standish, even Danny Shelton said people good at discerning people thought he was telling the truth. Not from 3ABN, but some of the board members personally even gave 10K to Wyatt to buy equipment. However, they found out Wyatt was a fraud. Shelton said it eventually occurred to him that Wyatt knew there was no ark down there. Wyatt is good at getting money, though. Repeating the process over and over with different groups.

Diseased? Fraud? Or a mixture of the two, I don't know. Almost like he deluded himself, realized it, but thought it was a good story and went with it. But as one had asked, why are so many so gullible with no evidence? It's like people want it so much to be true, they'll believe anything.

I know some who are being suckered in by it. How do you help them?

Re: Where is the Ark of the Covenant? [Re: Gregory] #173403
05/17/15 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted By: Gregory
Re: "Everything that can be checked out is exactly as he says, and when considered carefully, is exactly what one would expect to find based on the details in the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy."

Oh!

There are others who take the position that much of what he stated does not check out.

The above is typically made by those who have studied in the field in which he wrote. That applies to each of your specific examples. For example, you mention the outline of a large ship in the area of Ararat: There is much that has been written on that which is said by many to show that what he has stated does not check out.

Allow me to give another example. Prior to his death, he proclaimed on the Web that he had discovered the living shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, and one could go on the Internet and look at a microscopic slide of what he claimed to be that living shed blood. I accessed that view. What he claimed to be be proof of life was clearly Brownian Movement. Brownian Movement has never been proof of life. Only a person ignorant of what one sees under a microscope would make such a statement.

NOTES:

Yes, I am experienced at looking at blood under a microscope.

Yes, I am aware that following Rom's death, the Internet claim of the discovery of the living shed blood of Christ has been modified.


I have never accepted what Ron wyatt said about the Ark of the Covenant or Noah's Ark. George Vandeman checked out that boat looking ground long before Ron Wyatt was there and it wasn't even a real boat. I never accepted what Ron Wyatt said about the blood sample because I never understood the 1 male chromosome he mentioned.

I would like to know if more information can be gathered about this blood sample though, just in case some information is left behind for us.

But, I do believe Ron Wyatt's explanation of the Exodus and the location of Mt. Sinai is by far the best explanation. I personally do believe these two points.

I have always believed that the Dead Sea was probably the location of Sodom and Gomorrah just because of the salt content of that body of water and Lot's wife being turned to salt.

Re: Where is the Ark of the Covenant? [Re: Windsor] #173490
05/20/15 02:18 PM
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Before you can get more information about the blood sample, you first have to believe there was a blood sample.

Re: Where is the Ark of the Covenant? [Re: Windsor] #173837
06/02/15 01:38 AM
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Personally, I do agree that Ron Wyatt's understanding go the Exodus and the location of Mt. Sinai is by far the most Biblical understanding available.

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