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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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06/02/15 04:20 PM
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If I go in with a knife, and remove your frontal lobes of your brain, what happens to your character? Does it change? Is so, why? Is the character independent of the brain, the physical hardware?
Perhaps you do not know of the functions of the brain and this topic is moot to you...
Our personal identity is preserved in the resurrection, though not the same particles of matter or material substance as went into the grave. The wondrous works of God are a mystery to man. The spirit, the character of man, is returned to God, there to be preserved. In the resurrection every man will have his own character. God in His own time will call forth the dead, giving again the breath of life, and bidding the dry bones live. The same form will come forth, but it will be free from disease and every defect. It lives again bearing the same individuality of features, so that friend will recognize friend. There is no law of God in nature which shows that God gives back the same identical particles of matter which composed the body before death. God shall give the righteous dead a body that will please Him. {Hvn 40.1} But in the end, it is a real and physical body. No body, not living being/soul.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
[Re: Daryl]
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06/02/15 07:16 PM
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God's mind is the storage medium for our character while we're in the grave awaiting the resurrection and our new body.
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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06/04/15 05:56 AM
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If I go in with a knife, and remove your frontal lobes of your brain, what happens to your character? Does it change? Is so, why? Is the character independent of the brain, the physical hardware? Really? So anyone whose frontal lobe has been removed cannot be restored by God at the resurrection? What about someone who was burned at the stake, damaging a lot more than the frontal lobe? Can God restore his character? Huss is going to have problems. I'll let you take this opportunity to back-pedal. What do you think happens to the character to one whose brain is chopped up with a knife? Does his character disappear? Or is it stored somewhere else other than his brain?
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
[Re: Daryl]
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06/04/15 07:53 AM
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Really? So anyone whose frontal lobe has been removed cannot be restored by God at the resurrection? Who said that? Do you deny that the frontal lobes of the brain have any impact on thought processes? Have you read medical reports on the effects of frontal lobotomy? Do you believe in a soul that is separate from the Body?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
[Re: APL]
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06/04/15 08:05 AM
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Answer your own question: If someone jams a knife through your brain, what happens to your character?
If your character is wholly dependent on the physical system in which it is stored, how can you expect to be restored after death, when the aforementioned physical system rots?
Bringing up Red Herrings about medical reports and separate souls only shows that either you are trying to draw attention away from the obvious flaw in your theory, or you do not understand the topic enough to see the problem clearly. Either option does not bode well for your self-proclaimed authority on the subject.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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06/04/15 03:25 PM
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God preserves the character in the resurrection and sin and every defect is removed. Can the physical body be so drastically changed while perfectly preserving the character? Is the storage medium for character independent of the storage medium for sin? Please answer this simple question: Is the PATTERN God uses to restore a man exactly the same as the pattern He preserved at death?
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
[Re: Daryl]
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06/04/15 03:37 PM
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I am wondering if you even listened to the video in the OP posted by Daryl.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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06/06/15 04:26 PM
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I have. But that still doesn't answer the question: If someone jams a knife through your brain, what happens to your character?
If your character is wholly dependent on the physical system in which it is stored, how can you expect to be restored after death, when the aforementioned physical system rots? Don't you believe that there is a storage system for character other than the frail human brain? Otherwise, characters in rotten brains, such as Adam's, are lost forever.
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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06/06/15 04:30 PM
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God preserves the character in the resurrection and sin and every defect is removed. Can the physical body be so drastically changed while perfectly preserving the character? Is the storage medium for character independent of the storage medium for sin? Please answer this simple question: Is the PATTERN God uses to restore a man exactly the same as the pattern He preserved at death?
By God's grace, Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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06/06/15 08:19 PM
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I have. But that still doesn't answer the question: If someone jams a knife through your brain, what happens to your character?
If your character is wholly dependent on the physical system in which it is stored, how can you expect to be restored after death, when the aforementioned physical system rots? Don't you believe that there is a storage system for character other than the frail human brain? Otherwise, characters in rotten brains, such as Adam's, are lost forever. Our personal identity is preserved in the resurrection, though not the same particles of matter or material substance as went into the grave. The wondrous works of God are a mystery to man. The spirit, the character of man, is returned to God, there to be preserved. In the resurrection every man will have his own character. God in His own time will call forth the dead, giving again the breath of life, and bidding the dry bones live. The same form will come forth, but it will be free from disease and every defect. It lives again bearing the same individuality of features, so that friend will recognize friend. There is no law of God in nature which shows that God gives back the same identical particles of matter which composed the body before death. God shall give the righteous dead a body that will please Him. {Hvn 40.1}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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