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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB [Re: Mountain Man] #173889
06/03/15 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
I realize you are not a SDA.
Well, now, that's not quite fair nor accurate. It is true that I do not fall within your narrow definition of SDA, but I like to read Scripture for what it says, not someone's interpretation of it. NOWHERE in Scripture does it EVER say "remnant church." EVER. It is a remnant people, not a church. If that means I'm not an SDA I'm happy with that. My SDAism is based on my understanding of God's Word as revealed in Holy Writ, not what someone tells me it is supposed to mean.

And what does EGW say about this? Something about "not anybody's name nor number of degrees or any great position nor the swaying of tradition should be taken as proof to support any point, etc., etc., "

You get the point.


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB [Re: Elle] #173910
06/04/15 02:50 AM
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I checked your profile to see what you said about being a SDA. You wrote - "I am a Christian who chooses to fellowship with Seventh-day Adventists." I assume that means you are not a baptized SDA member. No big deal. However, it does mean you are not subject to discipline if you reject the FB of the SDA Church.

Also, you are right, the Bible does not say "remnant church" just like it doesn't say "remnant people". The Bible does use the expression "the remnant of the people" just like it says "the remnant of her seed". So, what does the "woman" symbolize in Revelation 12? Mary? Israel? The Church? Individual church members?

Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB [Re: Mountain Man] #173912
06/04/15 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
"I am a Christian who chooses to fellowship with Seventh-day Adventists."


1 Corinthians 1:13


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB [Re: kland] #173943
06/05/15 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
The RCC is a counterfeit. The SDA Church is the Remnant Church of prophecy.
What was that in response to?


My question was:
Originally Posted By: kland
God the eternal Father is the Creator, Source, Sustainer and Sovereign of all creation. He is just and holy, merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. The qualities and powers exhibited in the Son and the Holy Spirit are also revelations of the Father. (Gen. 1:1; Rev. 4:11; 1 Cor. 15:28; John 3:16; 1 John 4:8; 1 Tim. 1:17; Ex. 34:6, 7; John 14:9.)


What should be done to those who do not recognize that the qualities and powers exhibited in Christ are also revelations of the Father? What if someone should say that those qualities and powers exhibited by Christ are only partial revelations of the Father?
(By the way, if it wasn't clear, the Adventist Review listed that as #3)

Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB [Re: JAK] #173944
06/05/15 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
The RCC is a counterfeit. The SDA Church is the Remnant Church of prophecy.
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Right, you disagree with the SDA interpretation of the Revelation - "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." SDA members who understand and reject this FB should be disciplined. I realize you are not a SDA.
Is this one of the Fundamental Beliefs, that the SDA church is the remnant church? If so, which one is it? Or is this a case of wanting to "discipline" people with made up reasons?

Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB [Re: Elle] #173954
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Kland, please refer to the 28 FB of the SDA Church to learn which one describes the The Remnant and Its Mission.

Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB [Re: Elle] #173955
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Just because the RCC counterfeited the authority of the Church it does not mean the the True Church and the Remnant Church cannot exercise her God-given authority unto His honor and glory.

Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB [Re: JAK] #174233
06/14/15 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted By: JAK
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
"I am a Christian who chooses to fellowship with Seventh-day Adventists."


1 Corinthians 1:13



1 Corinthians 1:13The Message (MSG)

13-16 I ask you, “Has the Messiah been chopped up in little pieces so we can each have a relic all our own? Was Paul crucified for you? Was a single one of you baptized in Paul’s name?” I was not involved with any of your baptisms—except for Crispus and Gaius—and on getting this report, I’m sure glad I wasn’t. At least no one can go around saying he was baptized in my name. (Come to think of it, I also baptized Stephanas’s family, but as far as I can recall, that’s it.)


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB [Re: kland] #174284
06/16/15 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
The RCC is a counterfeit. The SDA Church is the Remnant Church of prophecy.
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Right, you disagree with the SDA interpretation of the Revelation - "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." SDA members who understand and reject this FB should be disciplined. I realize you are not a SDA.
Originally Posted By: kland
Is this one of the Fundamental Beliefs, that the SDA church is the remnant church? If so, which one is it? Or is this a case of wanting to "discipline" people with made up reasons?
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Kland, please refer to the 28 FB of the SDA Church to learn which one describes the The Remnant and Its Mission.

Try as I might, I cannot find any place in the text of the link you gave any statement stating that the SDA church is the remnant church. If you can find otherwise, please quote such. Otherwise I will consider you wishing to discipline people with made up reasons.

Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB [Re: Elle] #174303
06/17/15 12:13 AM
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The Remnant Church Adventist Review, 16 June 2015 (Excerpt - Moving in the Same Direction)

2. Commitment to His Church
As Seventh-day Adventists we believe that this church is God’s remnant church. Our thirteenth fundamental belief states: “The universal church is composed of all who truly believe in Christ, but in the last days, a time of widespread apostasy, a remnant has been called out to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.”

The Seventh-day Adventist Church, from its very inception in 1863, has claimed to be the remnant church of prophecy. We believe that God called this church into existence for the proclamation of the three angels’ messages and that He has had a hand in the organization of this church. This does not mean that only Adventists will be saved. God has His people in all Christian churches (Rev. 18:4), but the Seventh-day Advent-ist Church is God’s visible remnant church through which He brings His final message to the world. The election of Israel was an election not for salvation but for service. Similarly, the Adventist church has been chosen to serve humanity in the time of the end by proclaiming God’s message to a dying world. We are saved as individuals, not by belonging to a particular race or church.

Commitment to God’s remnant church means that we are Adventists first and members of a particular country or race second. Racism in any shape and form has no room in our church. We are a global church, and it is not helpful for the unity of the church when local church organizations decide to go their own way in theological and practical matters, irrespective of the position of the global church.

. . . .

All our doctrines, including the distinctive doctrines of the church, have been formulated, we believe, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and should be proclaimed with vigor. After more than 40 years of ministry in three different world divisions and personally having observed the progress of the work in about 70 countries of the world, I can say with conviction: Where our distinctive doctrines such as the remnant, the sanctuary, and the gift of prophecy are accepted and proclaimed, the work is growing; where this is not the case, the work is languishing. God cannot bless our ministry if we are not in harmony with the teachings of His Word.

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