I think here you agreed with dedication that Rome was part of Babylon. And Babylon will include apostate protestantism, of which America is a leader. Babylon was not tied to a specific geographical area. Neither the king of the south.

Blessings kland,

Agreed. As time goes on Babylon will use any country that will join her. But, since 538 AD, the papacy has always been the major component of Babylon. We know there is a little horn in Daniel 7, I see this fulfilled in Peter calling Rome Babylon. And we see Rome has changed very much since then so as to promote the rise of the papacy, the little horn in Daniel 8.

As Protestantism has apostatized, these countries have also joined Babylon with the United States leading the way in these last days.

We must not forget spiritualism in these last days. This is rising right before our eyes on TV, books, movies and other subtle ways.

As I currently read prophecy, when the Supreme Court declares independence from God by implementing an abomination as the law of the land, it will declare independence from God June 2015. Shortly [that can be subjective = a few days, months, or years...though I would not expect it to tarry years] after wickedness is declared to be the law of the land, God will remove His special protection that has preserved America through the centuries.

Iran (the king of the South will attack the US fleet in the Gulf) and President Obama (the king of the North) will do exploits against the Covenant (beginning with America's Constitution). And prophecy will be fulfilled in its time in a way that was not expected by those who should have been watching and preparing.

we will not have long to wait to see if I'm in the ball park or if your cautious [fearfulness about proclaiming what the word of God means before it happens] is a blessing to you or a curse.

The question then follows who is Babylon? The woman riding the beast in Rev 17 or the beast itself

But as I read it President Obama is now the King of the North and Iran is the king of the south. So how does that fit with the postulation "Babylon is the king of the north"?

You were quoting Alchemy, though I did write to agree that Rome was the "new Babylon".

As to your question -- who is Babylon of Rev. 17?

The symbolic woman in prophecy represents the "bride of Christ".
A harlot woman represents an unfaithful bride who has other lovers. In other words the "harlot" of Rev. 17 represents apostate Christianity.

Rome is the "king of the north" and in ancient times from 312 AD onward to 1798, Rome combined Christianity and political power in one. Thus in Revelation 13 we see a beast with seven heads, representing this combined power of politics and Christianity that morphed from emperors to papacy.

When the beast was wounded in 1798 the political power was severed from the papacy. (Freedom of religion unenforced by any political power became the norm in Christendom)

The picture in Revelation 17 shows that religion (the woman which represents both Catholicism and apostate Protestantism) unite to revive the old papal supremacy politically enforced system.
It is still Papal Rome as the "head" that is healed (apostate Protestantism has ecumenical union with papacy who literally in our day insists she is the "mother church" not a sister)


Papal Rome has always USED political governments to enforce religion when it had the power. And the USA will be the big political power, as well as the 10 horns of European nations, that will give their power to re-establish the oppressive beast of the old papal system when "united religions" under papal leadership will supposedly bring "peace" to the world, but in reality bring the greatest time of trouble this world has ever seen.


concerning your comment on the president--
The USA is having another election next year. The way I see it -- the democrat presidents largely prepares the things for papal take over in political ways, while the republican presidents do more to prepare things for papal take over in religious ways. The time is just ahead when the USA will give their power in the great attempt to elevate the papacy to world primacy.

Could you show where in the Bible it says the Supreme Court of the U.S. declares independence from God in June 2015?


You're asking dedication how your chosen specific interpretation fits in with her general interpretation?

I find it very difficult to disagree with this, dedication. It has been in the development for many year now, closer to its fulfillment these days. We do not see the papacy as the great enemy now because the Muslim powers are doing the killing. A former pope predicted the unification of the muslims with the papacy in the future.

Blessings His child,

Babylon is made up of the papacy, apostate protestantism and spiritualism. The woman in Revelation 17 has the name written on her forehead, and can not be on her hand, "Mystery, Babylon the Great".

Thanks for clarifying.


Then who is the beast in Revelation 17?
If the papal beast in Revelation 13 is being expanded and explained in rev 17, then how can the woman be Catholicism?

I think she said, represents both Catholicism and apostate Protestantism.