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Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11
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06/29/15 10:34 PM
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Do you like maple syrup with your waffles? So you categorize growing in grace and knowledge as waffling? I am in good company. Adventists predicted Christ would come in 1843 & 1844, and then they changed it that Jesus would start the IJ in 1844. Somebody was willing to take a stand when they thought they understood Bible prophecy. Sometimes we speak not to clearly and have to clarify. But I did not celebrate with waffles or anything when I got it right (8 tweets before the fact from 9/3/11 thru 930/12) that Pope Benedict would not be pope in 2013 (He might last till the spring -didn't make it). didn't celebrate when gay marriage got to be law of the land either though I have posted it and tweeted it for months. I just did not know witch judges would put it over the top. And I won't celebrate when Iran sinks the US fleet. But I pray that the church will wake up before it is too late. Then I'll celebrate: waffles with real Maple please.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11
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Blessings everyone,
It would be very helpful to me at least, if we would clarify what types and anti-types are being exposed by all these events. How can we know who represents who in these last days?
For instance; In Luke 8:43-48, Jesus heals a woman who had a bleeding disease for twelve years. Well, the number twelve represents God's government, a woman represents a church, blood represents her sin and her coming to Jesus for help represents her repentance and faith in Christ and her healing represents God's forgiveness and righteousness toward the repenting church.
Can we put all these points in this thread together in such a way that we can all see the types and anti-types, so that we can all see how to interpret these very important symbols?
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Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11
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07/01/15 08:33 AM
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11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. (KJV)
What does it mean for the king of the north to plant his tabernacles in the Glorious Holy Mountain? Mountain representing a nation or kingdom.
We can see this in 2 Kings 17:24; And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof. (KJV)
We see that Israel had been taken captive from their land and the first people mentioned in replacing Israel are from Babylon. Babylon will replace, or take the place of, Israel. That is what I believe Daniel 11:45 is talking about. So, the king of the north plans to take the place of Israel, and with the Sabbath being trodden underfoot in the South Pacific Division, I believe that has already started to take place.
So, I believe the Glorious Holy Mountain on earth is God's Remnant People. When we let Babylon tell us how or what we believe, it doesn't matter what we are called, we may even be called Seventh-day Adventist! We will be joining ourselves with Babylon all the same. We can this in Samoa right now in the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Praise the God of Heaven for the 144,000 who stand until the very end.
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Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11
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His Child, June 2015 has ended. How do you spin it?
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Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11
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But do you agree there is the possibility the two are not connected? NO, I think they are connected, and the pioneers did too. AT Jones: In the words of the angel, "He shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." The "glorious holy mountain" can be no other place than Jerusalem, which is even now called in the Turkish and Arabic "the holy." It is certain, therefore, that the seat of the Ottoman Empire will be removed from Constantinople, and will finally be planted in Jerusalem, and then it is just as certain that that power comes to an end. {May 16, 1896 LTNe, GCB 692.1} I was referring to Yet, and at that time not being required to be connected. Regarding the king of the north, the other visions of Daniel show the king coming to his end. Previously, that king was Babylon, a confederacy of papacy, apostate protestantism, and spiritualism. Is there some reason to depart from that form in the last vision? Where does Babylon fit in? What power completely shatters the power of the holy people other than the one who goes forth with great fury to destroy and annihilate many from whom Michael will stand up to deliver the holy people before they are all destroyed. And the same assurance as given in the previous visions, Babylon will come to his end and the holy people will triumph.
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Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11
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07/01/15 04:23 PM
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It would be very helpful to me at least, if we would clarify what types and anti-types are being exposed by all these events. The Adventist interpretation for most of the existence of the Adventist church viewed the prophesy of Daniel 11 as a LITERAL prophesy, not in types. Even James White viewed Daniel 11 as literal. If you have read Smith's book, Daniel and the Revelation, you would note that the title of the chapter on Daniel 11 is "A LITERAL PROPHECY". The spiritual view is a new view that has come into the church over the last 60 years. When Daniel 11:45 is interpreted literally we have a definite event to mark the close of probation.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11
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11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. (KJV)
What does it mean for the king of the north to plant his tabernacles in the Glorious Holy Mountain? Mountain representing a nation or kingdom.
We can see this in 2 Kings 17:24; And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof. (KJV)
We see that Israel had been taken captive from their land and the first people mentioned in replacing Israel are from Babylon. Babylon will replace, or take the place of, Israel. That is what I believe Daniel 11:45 is talking about. So, the king of the north plans to take the place of Israel, and with the Sabbath being trodden underfoot in the South Pacific Division, I believe that has already started to take place.
So, I believe the Glorious Holy Mountain on earth is God's Remnant People. When we let Babylon tell us how or what we believe, it doesn't matter what we are called, we may even be called Seventh-day Adventist! We will be joining ourselves with Babylon all the same. We can this in Samoa right now in the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Praise the God of Heaven for the 144,000 who stand until the very end. Oooops! Sorry everyone, I misspoke, or miswrote in my earlier post. The Glorious Land in verse 41 is God's Remnant people. God's Glorious Holy Mountain is the New Jerusalem. Sorry, I need to be careful and not rush when I'm writing a post. But, the principle I intended is the same. Babylon intends to sent up her city to replace the New Jerusalem.
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Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11
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It would be very helpful to me at least, if we would clarify what types and anti-types are being exposed by all these events. The Adventist interpretation for most of the existence of the Adventist church viewed the prophesy of Daniel 11 as a LITERAL prophesy, not in types. Even James White viewed Daniel 11 as literal. If you have read Smith's book, Daniel and the Revelation, you would note that the title of the chapter on Daniel 11 is "A LITERAL PROPHECY". The spiritual view is a new view that has come into the church over the last 60 years. When Daniel 11:45 is interpreted literally we have a definite event to mark the close of probation. Blessings APL, I don't believe following types and anti-types is spiritualizing anything! Could you explain this LITERAL application you mentioned above?
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Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11
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07/03/15 01:06 AM
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alchemy - read Smith's book and read SN Haskell's book. Have you? You will see that Daniel 11 is not type/anti-type, but literal. Many today do not want to view it as literal.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Identifying the Kings of the North and South - Daniel 11
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07/03/15 01:27 AM
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His Child, June 2015 has ended. How do you spin it? Just as I had said it would happen. The Supreme Court decided in favor of gay marriage. The Supreme Court has set up an abomination that desolates as the law of the land. "The lesson is for us... surely God's authority should be held in as much greater reverence as He is holier than man. Our Creator and our Commander, infinite in power, terrible in judgment, seeks by every means to bring men to see and repent of their sins. By the mouth of His servants He predicts the dangers of disobedience; He sounds the note of warning and faithfully reproves sin. His people are kept in prosperity only by His mercy, through the vigilant watchcare of chosen instrumentalities. He cannot uphold and guard a people who reject His counsel and despise His reproofs. For a time He may withhold His retributive judgments; yet He cannot always stay His hand. {PK 425.4}
Will God withhold His judgments for a time (a year) or will Iran attack America's fleet sooner?
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