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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
[Re: James Peterson]
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07/13/15 09:10 PM
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I find it difficult to believe that truth is so mysterious that it cannot be expressed in words once the Holy Spirit reveals it unto us. The Bible contains the truths necessary to be set free. Truth in what context? In Science, especially Mathematics, it may be objective. Nobody would deny that you were speeding 20 over the limit if it was so recorded and shown on the meter. In the arts, however, truth is patently subjective. Were you cruising or were you going excessively fast? Compared to what and judging by whom? The Bible is literature. The proliferation of denominational viewpoints, hence denominations, is therefore expected when it comes to matters it does not address directly. Is Jesus the Messiah? Of course! Mat. 16:16. Is there an investigative judgement of saints? NO. Why, because SDA merely interpreted certain statements to explain away their Great Disappointment. Christian denominations should NOT base their peculiarity, and hold themselves out as the ONLY light upon a hill, on ideas not explicitly stated or self-evident from the text of the Bible. It is difficult to take anyone seriously, for example, who stridently claims that congregational worship on Saturdays or belief in a trinity of divinities is a determinant of one's salvation. One's creed should be simple: John 13:35, and allow for the proliferation and discussion of ideas without the threat of the stifling of conscience. /// I think what MM was trying to say, 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: Isn't that objective, like going 20 over the speed limit, of which nobody can deny?
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
[Re: Elle]
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07/14/15 02:47 PM
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What God desires for us is not difficult to understand. The plan of salvation is plainly revealed in the Word. Experiencing the plan of salvation is easier than explaining it. Again, it is not brain surgery.
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
[Re: Elle]
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07/14/15 07:24 PM
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2 Corinthians 3:12-17 J.B. Phillips New Testament
12-17 With this hope in our hearts we are quite frank and open in our ministry. We are not like Moses, who veiled his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing its fading glory. But it was their minds really which were blinded, for even today when the old agreement is read to them there is still a veil over their minds—though the veil has actually been lifted by Christ. Yes, alas, even to this day there is still a veil over their hearts when the writings of Moses are read. Yet if they “turned to the Lord” the veil would disappear. For the Lord to whom they could turn is the spirit of the new agreement, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, men’s souls are set free.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
[Re: kland]
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07/14/15 10:04 PM
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Christian denominations should NOT base their peculiarity, and hold themselves out as the ONLY light upon a hill, on ideas not explicitly stated or self-evident from the text of the Bible. It is difficult to take anyone seriously, for example, who stridently claims that congregational worship on Saturdays or belief in a trinity of divinities is a determinant of one's salvation. One's creed should be simple: John 13:35, and allow for the proliferation and discussion of ideas without the threat of the stifling of conscience. I think what MM was trying to say, 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: Isn't that objective, like going 20 over the speed limit, of which nobody can deny? It's the reason I said "congregational worship on Saturdays". Indeed the Decalogue does say the seventh day but it must be the seventh day according to one's own time zone and culture. The Sabbath was never meant to be a strictly specific 24-hour period Jerusalem time, else many would have to be awake all night in accordance with the day set there. Evidently, the commandment is simply asking for one day out of seven which, because the week is cyclic over seven days, means that, mathematically and as commonsense would have it, whatever day you choose becomes the seventh day of rest from the day you started the week. Saturdays? No problem. Sundays? No problem either. The day of congregational worship is always going to be the seventh day (or last day of the week) for that congregation. And you break the commandment when you deviate from the faith of your brethren with whom you worship over the issue. Nevertheless, another congregation does not sin by holding Tuesdays, for example as against Thursdays, as the Sabbath of the Lord any more than American SDA keep Fridays holy judging by Jerusalem time. ///
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
[Re: Elle]
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07/14/15 10:29 PM
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So, yes, within the SDA Church, members who refuse to comply with the 7th day Sabbath should be disciplined in accordance with biblical standards.
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
[Re: Johann]
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07/14/15 10:31 PM
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2 Corinthians 3:12-17 J.B. Phillips New Testament
12-17 With this hope in our hearts we are quite frank and open in our ministry. We are not like Moses, who veiled his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing its fading glory. But it was their minds really which were blinded, for even today when the old agreement is read to them there is still a veil over their minds—though the veil has actually been lifted by Christ. Yes, alas, even to this day there is still a veil over their hearts when the writings of Moses are read. Yet if they “turned to the Lord” the veil would disappear. For the Lord to whom they could turn is the spirit of the new agreement, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, men’s souls are set free.
What shall we say then, that the Pharisees (who believed in the resurrection) had the Spirit of the Lord but the Sadducees who denied it did not? Were the latter cut off from the Children of Israel because of it? No. They were all of Abraham and Christ treated them as such. Even so now, SDA and Roman Catholics are all part of the body of Christ and are treated as such without prejudice by God because the Church was not built on a foundation set in the 18th century around 28 items of faith. I'm sorry; but the Church of Christ was established long before in the 1st century and has as its foundation ONE tenet: "[Jesus of Nazareth is] the Christ, the Son of the Living God." (Mat. 16:18) All other things, though they divide the body, are merely points of interest. (1 Cor. 3:4,11) ///
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
[Re: Mountain Man]
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07/15/15 12:56 PM
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So, yes, within the SDA Church, members who refuse to comply with the 7th day Sabbath should be disciplined in accordance with biblical standards. I would advise those members to patiently seek another denomination (there are many) if it comes to that and hold fast to their faith in God unto salvation. ///
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
[Re: Mountain Man]
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07/15/15 02:00 PM
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So, yes, within the SDA Church, members who refuse to comply with the 7th day Sabbath should be disciplined in accordance with biblical standards. Why do you keep the 7th day?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
[Re: James Peterson]
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07/15/15 02:47 PM
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So, yes, within the SDA Church, members who refuse to comply with the 7th day Sabbath should be disciplined in accordance with biblical standards. I would advise those members to patiently seek another denomination (there are many) if it comes to that and hold fast to their faith in God unto salvation. Amen! Why remain in a church you do not agree with!
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Re: Should the Body Discipline Members for disagreeing on 28FB
[Re: APL]
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07/15/15 02:48 PM
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So, yes, within the SDA Church, members who refuse to comply with the 7th day Sabbath should be disciplined in accordance with biblical standards. Why do you keep the 7th day? Because Jesus did (does).
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