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Re: Seven Heads on beast
[Re: Mountain Man]
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07/21/15 08:35 PM
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His Child, I have no doubt your interpretation will not be fulfilled in the way you envision. I am certain Jesus will not return within your time frame (within a year after President Obama leaves office). But please do not mistake my observations for belligerence. I respect you as a Christian and as a student of the Bible. Just because I disagree with your interpretation of prophecy it does not mean I dislike you. You disagree with my interpretation of prophecy and I'm not at all offended. As I see it, the 7/8 kingdoms are:
1) Babylon
2) Medo-Persia
3) Grecia
4) Rome
5) Catholic Europe
6) Communist Europe
7) Apostate Protestant America
8) Catholic Europe Restored
I believe we are in the transition period between the 6th and 7th kingdoms. Quite interesting MM. But Europe has neither been all Catholic since the reformation, nor all Communist. Parts of Germany, Northern Europe, and Holland have been protestant since the reformation. Also parts of Switzerland. It is quite interesting traveling along the line between the Catholic and Protestant sections in Germany and observe which church is dominant in each village. The same line is still there, generally speaking, since the Reformation. The villages that belonged to the protestant princes then are still protestant (Lutheran) today. But some of the marks are falling.
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Re: Seven Heads on beast
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07/25/15 12:08 PM
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His Child, I have no doubt your interpretation will not be fulfilled in the way you envision. I am certain Jesus will not return within your time frame (within a year after President Obama leaves office). But please do not mistake my observations for belligerence. I respect you as a Christian and as a student of the Bible. Just because I disagree with your interpretation of prophecy it does not mean I dislike you. You disagree with my interpretation of prophecy and I'm not at all offended. As I see it, the 7/8 kingdoms are:
1) Babylon
2) Medo-Persia
3) Grecia
4) Rome
5) Catholic Europe
6) Communist Europe
7) Apostate Protestant America
8) Catholic Europe Restored
I believe we are in the transition period between the 6th and 7th kingdoms. Excellent post MM, As I see the 7/8 Kingdoms of Revelation 17; 1) Babylon 2) Medo-Persia 3) Greece 4) Rome 5) Papal Rome 6) Image of the Beast - USA 7) World Civil Government (NWO) supported by Apostate Protestantism with the Healing of the wound. 8) Babylon - Papacy, Apostate Protestantism and Spiritualism with the Papacy in charge. As far as the number "666" is concerned; It is the number of a name and the number of a man - the Pope or Papacy.
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Re: Seven Heads on beast
[Re: Godsloveandlaw]
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07/25/15 02:05 PM
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Alchemy, I like your list, too. So, we are still in the 5th kingdom. Have been since 538 AD. But it won't be long before the USA forms an image to the beast enforcing Sunday Laws.
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Seven Heads on beast
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07/25/15 10:18 PM
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I tend to agree on the five heads that are "fallen" --
FIVE HAVE FALLEN --
Ancient Babylon, Persia, Grecia, Rome, Papal Rome
The sixth is interesting for it is a time when the beast is not --
"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; Rev. 17:8
"And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is,...(10)
Thus we are in the sixth head stage when the beast as a persecuting power is not -- but there is still a head.
We are at the END of the sixth head time.
The seventh head is the revival of the full beast power once again. It is healed but will be around only a short while longer (thankfully).
The eighth is NOT a head in the same sense as the rest. In fact it isn't a head at all for the beast only has seven heads as the chapter points out THREE TIMES.
The eighth is the something else -- I believe it is satan himself impersonating Christ -- he was the master mind behind all the false worship and persecution throughout the whole existence of the beast.
So it would look more like this:
1) Babylon
2) Medo-Persia
3) Greece
4) Rome
5) Papal Rome
6) Roman Church without minus it's control over state and persecuting power
7) Healed Beast power -- Papal Rome holding hands with apostate Protestantism and empowered by spiritualism
This is cemented with the appearance of the master mind who has empowered the beast through the ages -- Satan pretending to be Christ. (the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth .. vs 11)
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Re: Seven Heads on beast
[Re: dedication]
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07/25/15 10:37 PM
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The final events will be rapid ones ==
Once the church regains control of state (which can happen overnight in the event of some calamity) it will be A SHORT time till Jesus comes.
Are we taking advantage of the peace still granted us to warn the world of what is coming.
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Re: Seven Heads on beast
[Re: dedication]
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07/25/15 11:17 PM
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I tend to agree on the five heads that are "fallen" --
FIVE HAVE FALLEN --
Ancient Babylon, Persia, Grecia, Rome, Papal Rome
The sixth is interesting for it is a time when the beast is not --
"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; Rev. 17:8
"And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is,...(10)
Thus we are in the sixth head stage when the beast as a persecuting power is not -- but there is still a head.
We are at the END of the sixth head time.
The seventh head is the revival of the full beast power once again. It is healed but will be around only a short while longer (thankfully).
The eighth is NOT a head in the same sense as the rest. In fact it isn't a head at all for the beast only has seven heads as the chapter points out THREE TIMES.
The eighth is the something else -- I believe it is satan himself impersonating Christ -- he was the master mind behind all the false worship and persecution throughout the whole existence of the beast.
So it would look more like this:
1) Babylon
2) Medo-Persia
3) Greece
4) Rome
5) Papal Rome
6) Roman Church without minus it's control over state and persecuting power
7) Healed Beast power -- Papal Rome holding hands with apostate Protestantism and empowered by spiritualism
This is cemented with the appearance of the master mind who has empowered the beast through the ages -- Satan pretending to be Christ. (the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth .. vs 11)
Excellent post dedication. I used to believe similar to this until I realized in Revelation 13 that right at the end of the fifth king, or first beast, is rising up another beast. I take this beast to be the sixth king. I have never thought of the eighth quite like you do though. I understand there are only seven kings, but one of them rises again. In Revelation 13 17 and 18 we see Babylon mention as that great city or kingdom at the end. I do believe that the establishment of a global government, the rise of Apostate Protestantism and the healing of the deadly wound fulfill the seventh king.
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Re: Seven Heads on beast
[Re: Mountain Man]
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07/25/15 11:21 PM
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Alchemy, I like your list, too. So, we are still in the 5th kingdom. Have been since 538 AD. But it won't be long before the USA forms an image to the beast enforcing Sunday Laws. Blessings MM, Just to clarify; I believe the 5th king ended in 1798 and that the sixth king started then. I believe the USA could have and would have fulfilled all the requirements of the Image of the Beast sooner if necessary. I remember December of 1888 for example.
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Re: Seven Heads on beast
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07/26/15 03:50 AM
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When Rome morphed from pagan to papal it occupied another one of the seven heads (4th and 5th). Why not the same for the USA? That is, when the USA morphs from lamb-like to dragon-like why not two separate heads (6th and 7th)? The 8th would be Papal Rome Healed.
PS - I favor Communist Europe for the 6th head.
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Re: Seven Heads on beast
[Re: Mountain Man]
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07/26/15 07:23 AM
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When Rome morphed from pagan to papal it occupied another one of the seven heads (4th and 5th). Why not the same for the USA? That is, when the USA morphs from lamb-like to dragon-like why not two separate heads (6th and 7th)? The 8th would be Papal Rome Healed.
PS - I favor Communist Europe for the 6th head. I understand your point MM. And all I can say is what I see from Scripture. For instance; Rome changed dramatically from a mighty civil/religious power to a very small civil/religious power. Papal Rome was a nation of dark sentences and intrigue, while Imperial Rome disintegrated and did not exist anymore. They were two very different powers. (i.e. a beast to a horn to a little horn) Papal Rome followed after Imperial Rome in look and pomp, but not in power and strength. Papal Rome's authority and seat came from Imperial Rome, Papal Rome did not create its strength or seat on its own. Whereas the United States was speaking as a dragon back in the nineteenth century. The USA never really reached that lamb-like status which would have made it even more powerful. But, I do believe the USA is part of Apostate Protestantism during the 7th and 8th kings, until the ten kings in Revelation 17:12-14.
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Re: Seven Heads on beast
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07/26/15 04:08 PM
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Excellent ideas and insights. Thank you for sharing. I am confident of 1-5. Not so sure about 6. And absolutely certain 7 and 8 symbolize Apostate Protestant America and Catholic Europe Healed. The 10 horns symbolize the rest of world uniting with 7/8 to enforce Sunday Laws.
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