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Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: ProdigalOne] #175739
07/31/15 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
Jesus is not the cause of the disasters and violence coming to pass on this planet: He is merely allowing the prosecuting attorney (Satan) to state his case.

Ho do you explain the Bible and SOP passages (see quotes posted above) that plainly say otherwise?

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: Mountain Man] #175746
07/31/15 07:24 PM
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You did contradict yourself. Only when questioned, did you backtrack.

Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Do you believe we should interpret the Bible and SOP passages that plainly say Jesus causes death, disease, and destruction to mean Jesus permits evil men and/or evil angels to do it?
What do you say, do you believe we should interpret the Bible and SOP passages that plainly say God slew Saul or that Saul committed suicide? Which?

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #175747
07/31/15 07:26 PM
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MM - why do you ignore EGW's clear statements in how this all works? Such as GC35-GC37 and COL84? How do you reconcile these statements with your belief that God causes sickness, disease and death, and it is not God, but sin? Sickness, suffering, and death are work of an antagonistic power. Satan is the destroyer; God is the restorer. {CH 168.2}


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #175762
08/01/15 02:04 PM
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Kland, I did not contradict myself. I did not back track. You are mistaken. Please repost the post you believe reflects me contradicting myself.

PS - You did not answer my question. Please do so.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #175763
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APL, the Bible and the SOP make it very clear Jesus causes death, disease, and destruction. The Bible and the SOP are also very clear Jesus commands holy angels to cause death, disease, and destruction. And the Bible and the SOP clearly say Jesus permits evil angels to cause death, disease, and destruction.

Do you believe the Bible and the SOP expect us to interpret everything above to mean Jesus withdraws His protection and permits evil angels to cause death, disease, and destruction? If so, do you think it makes Jesus less culpable?

Nature is not self-acting. Every single law, principle, and function in nature is 100% dependent upon Jesus to act. Hearts beat because Jesus makes them beat. Clouds form and produce rain because Jesus makes them do do. Plants and animals and and insects and people grow and live because Jesus makes them do so. Everything on earth plays out the way it does because Jesus does what He does. Natural disasters are able to do what they do because Jesus does what He does. Nature is not self-acting. Evil angels cannot supply the life force nature needs to do what it does. Only Jesus can supply it.

Evil angles are allowed to manipulate the forces of nature - but they cannot supply the life force necessary for it to act. Nor can evil angels manipulate the forces of nature to cause more death, disease, and destruction than Jesus is willing to allow. Jesus works to ensure evil angels do not exceed the limits He sets and enforces. Again, everything plays out the way it does because Jesus does what He does to ensure it plays out accordingly - no more, no less. "God will use His enemies as instruments to punish those who have followed their own pernicious ways whereby the truth of God has been misrepresented, misjudged, and dishonored." {LDE 242.3}

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #175768
08/01/15 05:51 PM
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MM - AGAIN - how do you reconcile ALL the writings of EGW on the topic? You have not yet done so. MM - why do you ignore EGW's clear statements in how this all works? Such as GC35-GC37 and COL84? How do you reconcile these statements with your belief that God causes sickness, disease and death, and it is not God, but sin? Sickness, suffering, and death are work of an antagonistic power. Satan is the destroyer; God is the restorer. {CH 168.2}


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #175776
08/01/15 10:14 PM
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Her statements do not require reconciliation. They are perfectly clear. There is nothing ambiguous about them.

Please answer my questions (posted to you above).

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: Mountain Man] #175785
08/02/15 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Her statements do not require reconciliation. They are perfectly clear. There is nothing ambiguous about them.

Please answer my questions (posted to you above).
In other words, you won't even try to reconcile them.

The following is my God and High Priest:
Hebrews 7:25-26
25 Why he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come to God by him, seeing he ever lives to make intercession for them.
26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

Your god is not harmless as you readily admit.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #175788
08/02/15 03:19 AM
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This topic is about global warming.

Let's stay on topic and not imply that our Savior is responsible for the mess that mankind has made of this planet.

I think we all agree that God's protecting hand is being withdrawn to allow sin and satan to fully demonstrate the results of their rebellion.

What are those results?


Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #175790
08/02/15 04:02 AM
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But dedication - some view God AND Satan as causing disease, disaster, and death. Global warming falls into the disaster category.

MM - I have answered your question, same question, many times. Read {DA 58.1} Now, how do you reconcile ALL the EGW quotes? The judgments of God do not come directly from Him, but in.....


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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