Prodigal - surely you are familiar with the fact that most of the Adventist Pioneers could not accept the 28FB and MM would not allow them to be members because of this, right?

This is not about a moral Decalogue, but about SDA endeavouring to throw a denominational wet blanket, i.e. its 28FB, over the conscience of its members and have it so sealed. Your mind is sacred, and no one should ever tell you what you ought to believe or not believe, with the intent of policing your heart.

OR are you in league with the Popes of the Dark Ages?

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Luke 4:16-30, and for good measure Mat. 21:33-46

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James Peterson wrote;

"This is not about a moral Decalogue, but about SDA endeavouring to throw a denominational wet blanket, i.e. its 28FB, over the conscience of its members and have it so sealed. Your mind is sacred, and no one should ever tell you what you ought to believe or not believe, with the intent of policing your heart."

Galatians 5:19-21 is a short enough passage to read, and it directly mentions adultery and idolatry which are directly covered in the Ten Commandments. So, I believe ProdigalOne's post made sense Biblically.

James, the 28FB are biblical. Each one of them is sound doctrine. It is the official beliefs of the SDA Church. They are verified in the Spirit of prophecy - the writings of Ellen White.

As I said, THIS THREAD "is not about a moral Decalogue, but about SDA endeavouring to throw a denominational wet blanket, i.e. its 28FB, over the conscience of its members and have it so sealed. Your mind is sacred, and no one should ever tell you what you ought to believe or not believe, with the intent of policing your heart."

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Nevertheless, that does not give you the Divine right to police the mind of others. Do you long for the dark ages? Does your heart quicken at the thought of a Spanish Inquisition? Is your mouth salivating before pictures of torture instruments?

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Your own quote says you are talking about "the entire law".

"For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" (verse 14)


In any case it is interesting, I just read through the 28 Fundamental Beliefs. They all seem to agree with God's Word. They are all summed up nicely in the first statement:

Holy Scriptures FB- #1

The Holy Scriptures, Old and New Testaments, are the written Word of God, given by divine inspiration through holy men of God who spoke and wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. In this Word, God has committed to man the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are the infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the test of experience, the authoritative revealer of doctrines, and the trustworthy record of God’s acts in history. (2 Peter 1:20, 21; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17; Ps. 119:105; Prov. 30:5, 6; Isa. 8:20; John 17:17; 1 Thess. 2:13; Heb. 4:12.)

All of the remaining 27 agree with Scripture. They are merely clarifications of what is clearly stated in the Bible, in much the same way as Paul clarifies God's Word in Galations 5:

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

He could have just said: "Obey the Ten Commandments, but knowing the hearts of human beings and the wiles of Satan, he spelled it out for them, so there could be no misunderstandings.

As for being in "league with the Popes?" I don't think our leaders are going to put anyone to death for leaving the Seventh Day Adventist Church.

In fact the Fundamental Beliefs are a method of assuring that someone who does not believe the teachings of the Bible does not join a church in which he or she would not find spiritual unity.

Is it really Fundamental Beliefs in general to which you object? Perhaps it is just the SDA Fundamental Beliefs you have a problem with?

You have no objection to number one, I'm sure. I mean would you really want to join a church that does not believe:
"The Holy Scriptures, Old and New Testaments, are the written Word of God..."

I wonder which of the 28 you don't like?

Are you here to free us unfortunate Seventh Day Adventists, who choose to acknowledge and accept the power and grace of the Spirit of the Living God: He who gives us the strength to live righteous, obedient, lives as He has promised?

If you directed me to Luke 4:16-30, because you believe: "The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon" you, (Luke 4:18), why then do you manifest such a different "spirit"?  

You suggest Mountain Man should "castrate" himself!  
You suggest that I am "in league with the Popes of the Dark Ages?"!  (a rather hefty insult to direct at a Seventh Day Adventist, as I assume you know)
You suggest that Mountain Man: "longs for the dark ages", that his "heart quickens at the thought of a Spanish Inquisition", that his "mouth salivates before pictures of torture instruments"

Mountain Man and I do not agree on every interpretation of every Scripture, but I have not the slightest shadow of a doubt that he possesses a remarkable love for God and cherishes freedom, especially religious freedom!

James Peterson, your personal, ad hominem, attacks, seem designed to humiliate and provoke to anger.  If this is what you believe to be "the Spirit of the Lord" (Luke 4:18), then I humbly and prayerfully beg that you read the rest of Paul's words in Galatians, 5:

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

Galatians 5:22-23


"For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh."

Luke 6:43-45

The SDA Church will never torture its members or leaders. Everyone is free to believe as they wish. They are not, however, free to claim to be a SDA in good and regular standing and attack its fundamental beliefs. Membership doesn't work like that. This thread is about the SOP. SDA members and leaders accept the witness and testimony of the SOP. They do not reject it.