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Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #176043
08/13/15 08:12 PM
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Officials: “Trillions of becquerels of radioactive material still flowing into sea” at Fukushima — Map shows nuclear waste coming up from bottom of ocean far offshore — Japan TV Journalist: “Contaminated seawater will circulate around globe… disaster like a huge cloth expanding everyday”

Wonder why MM's god is doing this.

Attorney for US Navy Sailors: Third death from exposure to Fukushima fallout — Baby with brain cancer has died — Reporters afraid to publish stories related to case — Professor: USS Reagan sailors were first people to be hit by plume outside of plant

Well, as long as it is MM's god doing such things, we needn't worry ourselves. Whether baby or coverup.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: APL] #176061
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Originally Posted By: APL
Would you then agree, that God is then responsible for all the evil in the world because He enables it? . . . A woman is rapes, then it is God will. She could not be raped unless God wanted it to happen. Calvin would be pleased.

You are adding ideas by using words like "enables" and "wanted". You and I both agree Jesus withdraws His protection and permits horrible things to happen for reasons that make sense to Him. There are times when He chooses to intervene and prevent horrible things from happening, and there are times when He chooses not to intervene, when He chooses to permit them to play out in accordance with the limits He sets and works to enforce. He leaves nothing to fate, chance, natural law, or evil men or evil angels. He works to ensure things do not play out in ways that exceed the limits He is willing to allow. When circumstances force Him to withdraw His protection and permit horrible things to happen - He hates it. He never wants horrible things to happen. But all too often circumstances force Him to permit it. In heaven He will explain why and it will make perfect sense - but it will not eliminate the sadness.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #176062
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Originally Posted By: kland
So are you saying that man did not do anything wrong in choosing a poor place for the reactor, having no backup plan, no protection from waves? That your god caused man to do poor planning? Or are you saying that man needn't worry about such useless details because.... god did it. Wow, what freedom! That relieves a lot of the responsibility. Maybe you could talk to our president and just say give any country who want's to go nuclear full blessing. Legalize drugs. In fact, have no laws. Anything bad which results..... MM's god did it. God of Fire. God of Water. MM's god: the god of death, disease, and disaster.

Kland, please choose your words carefully. Take the time to be kind. There is no excuse for being rude and harsh. You can express your thoughts without the inhumane treatment. Such behavior violates forum rules. Please be kind. I doubt you would be as cruel face to face. Do not let the internet hinder you from exercising common courtesy.

Yes, we are free to manage our choices. However, Jesus is free to manage the outcome of our choices. He can intervene in ways that do not violate freewill - the freedom to think and act. For example, a criminal is free to point a pistol and pull the trigger. However, whether or not the bullet causes harm is up to Jesus. He is free to intervene and prevent harm. There are a gazillion ways He can do so without violating freewill.

So, the question remains - Why does Jesus withdraw His protection and permit evil men and evil angels to cause death, disease, and disaster?

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #176067
08/14/15 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: mm
So, the question remains - Why does Jesus withdraw His protection and permit evil men and evil angels to cause death, disease, and disaster?
But you say God (god?) directly causes sickness, disease, and death and disasters. That god is indeed, harsh, severe, and exacting.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: Mountain Man] #176068
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Reading it again, I could see how it could be taken. But I didn't mean, "Wow, what freedom" in that sort of way, ending with a period. I meant it as one who is amazed, relieved. "Wow! Man, what freedom!" exclamation sort of way.

Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Yes, we are free to manage our choices. However, Jesus is free to manage the outcome of our choices. He can intervene in ways that do not violate freewill - the freedom to think and act. For example, a criminal is free to point a pistol and pull the trigger. However, whether or not the bullet causes harm is up to Jesus. He is free to intervene and prevent harm. There are a gazillion ways He can do so without violating freewill.
Really? Put it in terms of the nuclear disaster that's happening. Where is free will in that, of the questions I asked? Or is this where Jesus is not causing death, disease, and disaster, that is, men are exercising free will in this case? And if that could be the case, does that mean you yourself can look at the disaster, but have no idea whether Jesus caused it or whether Jesus permitted it?


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So, the question remains - Why does Jesus withdraw His protection and permit evil men and evil angels to cause death, disease, and disaster?
I don't understand. You said Jesus causes death, disease, and disaster.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: APL] #176072
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Originally Posted By: APL
M: So, the question remains - Why does Jesus withdraw His protection and permit evil men and evil angels to cause death, disease, and disaster?

A: But you say God (god?) directly causes sickness, disease, and death and disasters. That god is indeed, harsh, severe, and exacting.

You are adding words again. If you intend to share my view please stick to the words I use. In fact, simply quote me. My words are very clear. Easy to understand. They do not require interpretation.

It is true that there are times when Jesus employs the forces of nature to cause death, disease, and disaster. However, my question above pertains to those times when Jesus withdraws His protection and permits evil men and evil angels to cause death, disease, and disaster. Are you willing to answer my question?

PS - Please note that I refer to Jesus and not a "god" you made up. It is offensive when you substitute my words with insulting words when referring to my posts. Please be kind.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #176073
08/14/15 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: mm
My words are very clear. Easy to understand. They do not require interpretation.
Yes, you have said clearly, "God" causes sickness, disease and death.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #176074
08/14/15 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
M: Yes, we are free to manage our choices. However, Jesus is free to manage the outcome of our choices. He can intervene in ways that do not violate freewill - the freedom to think and act. For example, a criminal is free to point a pistol and pull the trigger. However, whether or not the bullet causes harm is up to Jesus. He is free to intervene and prevent harm. There are a gazillion ways He can do so without violating freewill.

K: Really? Put it in terms of the nuclear disaster that's happening. Where is free will in that, of the questions I asked? Or is this where Jesus is not causing death, disease, and disaster, that is, men are exercising free will in this case? And if that could be the case, does that mean you yourself can look at the disaster, but have no idea whether Jesus caused it or whether Jesus permitted it?

Jesus is in control of the outcome of our choices. People chose to install a thermonuclear power plant. Jesus chose to allow a storm to damage it. He also managed the fallout. He is in control - not fate, not chance, not natural law, not evil angels. It really doesn't matter if Jesus chose to withdraw His protection and permitted evil angels to cause the damage, or if He commanded holy angels to do it, or if He chose to do it Himself. The outcome is the same, namely, things played out according to the way He was willing to allow.

Originally Posted By: kland
M: So, the question remains - Why does Jesus withdraw His protection and permit evil men and evil angels to cause death, disease, and disaster?

K: I don't understand. You said Jesus causes death, disease, and disaster.

See my post to APL above.

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: APL] #176075
08/14/15 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
M: My words are very clear. Easy to understand. They do not require interpretation.

A: Yes, you have said clearly, "God" causes sickness, disease and death.

That is correct (although I usually say Jesus). But that isn't what my question is asking. Are you willing to answer my question?

Re: Global Warming Farce [Re: kland] #176076
08/14/15 08:34 PM
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PS - We should stay on topic. My question is aimed at global warming. I believe the disasters typically blamed on global warming are the result of Jesus allowing evil angels to manipulate the forces of nature - not the result of human pollution.

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