You're missing the point. MM is not saying that God is warning them not to drink the poison, but that God is the one poisoning them.

P.S. Don't know what you are talking about a strawman, but I find those who accuse others of strawman, are generally dishonest. Are you an exception? Maybe due to not understanding my point?

M: Kland, Jesus stated the truth in the Scripture posted above in language so clear no one in their right mind can mistake it.

K: You think it's clear, but have difficulty stating who killed Saul.

Kland, you posted a quote from me, not Mountain Man. If you had a point to make concerning his words, it would seem more practical to post his statement not mine.

Your strawman argument was putting words into my mouth, the quote you posted had no mention of the unsaved being destroyed as "good news".

Again, Revelation 14:9-12 is too plain to misconstrue.

I have seen you post the generalization: "I find those who accuse others of strawman, are generally dishonest." before.

M: Again, Revelation 14:9-12 is too plain to misconstrue.

K: Rev 14 does not talk about Saul. The point is that if you have difficulty stating who killed Saul, how can you be clear on anything else?

If Iran were to be allowed to use centrifuges for producing nuclear bombs and missiles, would you say they would be making use of the same destructive power as Japan did by failing to have a backup plan for their nuclear reactors resulting in all kinds of death and destruction?

The bowels of the earth were the Lord's arsenal, from which he drew forth the weapons he employed in the destruction of the old world. Waters in the bowels of the earth gushed forth, and united with the waters from Heaven, to accomplish the work of destruction. Since the flood, God has used both water and fire in the earth as his agents to destroy wicked cities. {3SG 82.2}

As he called forth the waters in the earth at the time of the flood, as weapons from his arsenal to accomplish the destruction of the antediluvian race, so at the end of the one thousand years he will call forth the fires in the earth as his weapons which he has reserved for the final destruction, not only of successive generations since the flood, but the antediluvian race who perished by the flood. {3SG 87.1}

God is constantly employed in upholding and using as His servants the things that He has made. He works through the laws of nature, using them as His instruments. They are not self-acting. Nature in her work testifies of the intelligent presence and active agency of a Being who moves in all things according to His will. {MH 416.1}

It is not by inherent power that year by year the earth yields its bounties and continues its march around the sun. The hand of the Infinite One is perpetually at work guiding this planet. It is God's power continually exercised that keeps the earth in position in its rotation. It is God who causes the sun to rise in the heavens. He opens the windows of heaven and gives rain. {MH 416.2}

It is by His power that vegetation is caused to flourish, that every leaf appears, every flower blooms, every fruit develops. {MH 416.3}

Many teach that matter possesses vital power. They hold that certain properties are imparted to matter, and it is then left to act through its own inherent power; and that the operations of nature are carried on in harmony with fixed laws, that God himself cannot interfere with. This is false science, and is sustained by nothing in the word of God. Nature is not self-acting; she is the servant of her Creator. God does not annul his laws nor work contrary to them; but he is continually using them as his instruments. Nature testifies of an intelligence, a presence, an active agency, that works in, and through, and above her laws. There is in nature the continual working of the Father and the Son. Said Christ, "My Father worketh hitherto, and I work." {ST, March 20, 1884 par. 5}

God has finished his creative work, but his energy is still exerted in upholding the objects of his creation. It is not because the mechanism that has once been set in motion continues its work by its own inherent energy that the pulse beats and breath follows breath; but every breath, every pulsation of the heart, is an evidence of the all-pervading care of Him in whom we live and have our being. It is not because of inherent power that year by year the earth produces her bounties and continues her motion around the sun. The hand of God guides the planets, and keeps them in position in their orderly march through the heavens. It is through his power that vegetation flourishes, that the leaves appear and the flowers bloom. His word controls the elements, and by him the valleys are made fruitful. He covers the heavens with clouds, and prepares rain for the earth; he "maketh grass to grow upon the mountains." "He giveth snow like wool; he scattereth the hoar frost like ashes." "When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures." {ST, March 20, 1884 par. 6}

1 Chronicles
10:4 Then said Saul to his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. So Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.
10:5 And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise on the sword, and died.
10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, [even] against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking [counsel] of [one that had] a familiar spirit, to inquire [of it];
10:14 And inquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.

I realize you believe Jesus need only withdraw His protection and the forces of nature would naturally unleash its pent up power and wreak indiscriminate death and destruction.

Staying on topic. Jesus chose not to intervene and prevent the fallout at Fukushima. Nothing happens without Jesus' permission. King Saul died because Jesus chose not to intervene and prevent it. The man-made and natural disasters commonly blamed on Global Warming is the result of Jesus choosing not to intervene and prevent them.

The Third Angel's Message describes the results of Jesus choosing to rain down fire from above and to raise up fire from below. Nature is not self-acting.

Can you show support for that statement?

(Or is this supporting evidence for mine?)

(Noted you did not state yourself who killed Saul.)

M: I realize you believe Jesus need only withdraw His protection and the forces of nature would naturally unleash its pent up power and wreak indiscriminate death and destruction.

K: You suggest that I think nature is an intelligent being. I'm wondering if you understand entropy.

M: Staying on topic. Jesus chose not to intervene and prevent the fallout at Fukushima. Nothing happens without Jesus' permission. King Saul died because Jesus chose not to intervene and prevent it. The man-made and natural disasters commonly blamed on Global Warming is the result of Jesus choosing not to intervene and prevent them. The Third Angel's Message describes the results of Jesus choosing to rain down fire from above and to raise up fire from below. Nature is not self-acting.

K: Well, right now I was talking about Iranians. Do you think they are self-acting to the limits Jesus permits? If so, then If Iran were to be allowed to use centrifuges for producing nuclear bombs and missiles, would you say they would be making use of the same destructive power as Japan did by failing to have a backup plan for their nuclear reactors resulting in all kinds of death and destruction?