I was referring to the thread: "Doug Batchelor Prohibited to Speak by Florida Conference"


Here is the initial post by Dedication:

Doug Batchelor was to speak at the Spring Meadows Church in Sanford, Florida during a week-long revival meeting planned for the Fall.

However, administration in the Florida Conference of Seventh-day Adventists recommended a change of speakers, because, they said, Pastor Batchelor was a negative polarizing influence in the Seventh-day Adventist Church concerning women's ordination.

Amazing Facts invested significant time and resources toward planning and preparing for the success of the Heroes of Faith series prior to being notified he was not wanted as a speaker.


The series "Heroes of Faith" will now be presented in Michigan.



As far as I'm concerned Florida is OVERSTEPPING --
They will push there agenda even if it means destroying the ministry of a man that has brought the word of truth to thousands.

If they are ready to take this type of action and accuse Batchlor of speaking against GC policy, EVEN THOUGH the GC voted "no" on giving divisions the right to ordain women, what would they have done if the vote was "yes"?

Would they have -- with vengeance purged the entire ministry of anyone who disagreed?

Now it seems if they are so worried about negative "polarizing influence" on a subject that is by no means a unanimous doctrinal belief of the church, why do they allow all kinds of speakers who disagree with basic doctrines to go about and teach? --- Like allowing evolution believing teachers in our higher education schools to shake the faith in creation in students sent to our schools."



A good indicator of the spirit guiding the Florida leadership is that while Doug Batchelor was not allowed to speak, non-SDA Emergent Church leader and wolf in sheep's clothing, Leonard Sweet was the guest speaker at the Florida Hospital SDA Church retreat in Camp Kulaqua on March 30-April 1, 2012.

Pastor Batchelor set a wonderful example with his humble and classy response to the Florida Conference's blatant insult. By rescheduling the Heros of the Faith seres in Michigan and continuing to spread the Three Angels' Messages, as in the warning to the church of the Pope's Imminent Sunday Law Agenda video, he has remained faithful to God and refused to be diverted by the wiles of Satan.

The repeated votes and endless debates on Women's Ordination come to mind. How much energy has been wasted that should have been directed into the work God has assigned to us?

Here is where my quote about the "lash" came from, you:

"What is God's anger? Is it something that makes Him lash out an people, inflict pain and suffering? No, that is the work of a different power."


I believe your final question sums up your post, so I will answer it.

"What draws you to God? A fear of punishment?"

Fear of punishment would only succeed in repelling me. It is the selfless Love God has poured out upon us that draws me to Him. His just Holy character requires a punishment for sin: "the wages of sin is death". The fact that Jesus paid this price for all who will accept His sacrifice never ceases to amaze me.

What an affront to our Father, that His Son's suffering and pain is (for many) in vain!
If people refuse to accept His mercy, then what choice is left to God? "The wages of sin is death". What would you have God do? If He forces us to accept salvation, we become robots whose love and lives are pointless. If He refuses to punish sin, then He must change His character to one that permits the existence of evil in the coming Kingdom. This would doom the universe to darkness and death.

The only remaining course is to warn, plead, beg His children to forsake sin and return to their Gracious Father.


Can you not hear in the voice of Jesus, how He longs to save us! He does NOT wish to punish the lost, but in the end He will be left no choice...

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!"

Matthew 23:37

By the way folks, as the OP I have to remind everyone the topic is:

Pope's Imminent Sunday Law Agenda: Video

Are there any thoughts on this subject?

There is a lively discussion on the nature of God's justice on the "Global Warming Farce" thread...

Just a rehash of love Me, or I'll kill you. How does God "punish?" God is not the executioner. Sin pays it wage, death, not God. If it were not so, then Satan is right, sin will not kill you. God is the harsh, severe creditor. If the chicks don't come home, then will the hen go out an slice off their heads? No.

And as to be on thread, you continue to miss what Ellen White wrote about "God's Anger" and the Sabbath. You say, "God will be VERY angry when the civil and religious authorities unite to legislate Sunday laws." But what is the truth? God is angry with those who pursue a course to make the world hate them. If a Christian is hated because ... he does not take a course to be loved, hated because of his uncultivated manners and because he makes the truth a matter of quarrel with his neighbors, and takes a course to make the Sabbath as annoying as possible to them, he is a stumbling block to sinners, a reproach to the sacred truth, and unless he repents it were better for him that a millstone were hung about his neck and he were cast into the sea. {1T 420.1} That should give you pause to reflect.

God is not the executioner of the sentence against sin. In the end, it if cause and effect.

It's obvious from the third angel's message that those who follow the "beast" and his "image" in disregarding God's law, including the law that is a sign of worship of the one who created the heavens and the earth and the fountains of water, will suffer the plagues and die.

So let's get back to the topic.

the Pope's Imminent Sunday law Agenda

Define "imminent". Perhaps you also missed the quote from 1T.

Ten years ago people on the various forums would mock anyone suggesting there would ever be a Sunday law.

Now that the progressive steps are being taken to implement it people suggest it is "rude" to talk about it????

Indeed the Sunday laws are coming, the steps toward it are increasing --

Here is a list of events showing the steady march of Sunday.

Towards Global Sunday Law

Don't wait for the final enforcement of Sunday laws to believe.
We NEED to have a DAILY relationship with Jesus Christ NOW in order to get through the time of trouble that is coming.

It is only those who by faith have hid themselves in Christ, trusting, believing, following the Lamb of God in faith and obedience, who will escape the last plagues and eternal death.

Excellent link! I think my favorite on the list is May 24 2014:

"Pope Francis described as "dangerous" the temptation to believe that one can have "a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ without communion with and the mediation of the church."

A "personal" relationship with Jesus "dangerous"! Yes, to the Antichrist Pope who would no longer be able to slither into the role of Intercessor!

Of course "communion" would necessarily include worshipping together on the same day!

APL, I'm tired of having the same conversation over and over. If you want to believe that God is a pushover, who will be forever patient and never execute the judgement He has been warning us of, that we will not reap what we sow, that the mechanics of punishment are all that matters and not the fact of punishment, then go ahead. I can see there is no changing your mind and further discussion is a waste of precious time and energy.

I wish nothing but good for you!