Firstly:

"No prophet is accepted in his own country."

James, are you saying you are a prophet? Why don't your words agree with Scripture then? Are you a big believer in Cultural Interpretation?

I am no "ostrich" James. Alas, I am all too well aware of "the reality of Adventism today".
The Shaking is soon to come.

Yes there are a "spectrum of believers across the denomination". In fact I'm certain your "views would be welcomed at "Spectrum", or your local "The One Project".


Secondly:

I agree, "it is not good to tell lies". The ones you have told concerning the 1260 days/years and the persecution of the Woman's seed have been dealt with in my own response, which you either misunderstood or ignored, and again quite nicely by dedication.

You never answered this question from a previous post: "do you believe the prophetic writings of our Church's cofounder, Ellen White?" If not, I fail to see how you can claim to be an SDA member?? Just in case you do accept Sister White's prophetic writings here is something for you:

"And now began the 1260 years of papal oppression foretold in the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation. [Daniel 7:25; Revelation 13:5-7.] Christians were forced to choose, either to yield their integrity and accept the papal ceremonies and worship, or to wear away their lives in dungeons or suffer death by the rack, the fagot, or the headsman’s ax. Now were fulfilled the words of Jesus, “Ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake.” [Luke 21:16, 17.] Persecution opened upon the faithful with greater fury than ever before, and the world became a vast battle-field. For hundreds of years the church of Christ found refuge in seclusion and obscurity. Thus says the prophet: “The woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” [Revelation 12:6.] – {GC88 54.2}


Thirdly:

I have never heard ANY Seventh Day Adventist say they hated Catholics.

If we did not "love the Catholics too", why would a major part of our message be:

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

We hate the false system of worship, not the people trapped inside of it!


"By the way," if "the Testimony of Jesus Christ is the Book of His Revelation.", then why does Revelation 19:10 say:

"...for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."?



Fourthly:


You seem to think you are acting the "prophet" to a segment of the "SDA spectrum" you disapprove of; however, you forget that Prophets DO NOT LIE!

You either lied to me when you said you "are an SDA member", or you lied to everyone on this site when you claimed to be a "non-SDA member" in your profile!

Which of your claims is the lie???

The honest members of this site have answered each of your challenges.
Now, answer this question! Did you LIE in your post, or did you LIE in your profile???

Answer the question please! We all have a right to know who the false prophet is, who is continually attacking our Church!

Fortunately people like APL, Kland, and James (people who reject certain fundamental beliefs) present their aberrant views in an unloving, ineffective manner. No one who is serious about the fundamental beliefs is going to take them seriously. However, there are people out there who have a winsome, endearing way of sharing the same views. They are a true threat to the truth as it is in Jesus.

That's an erroneous opinion for the text (Rev. 12:13-17):

1. Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.
2. And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the [remnant] of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

It is patently obvious that the woman and the [remnant] of her offspring were in two different places at the same time: 1,260 days. During that self same time:

• the woman was protected IN THE WILDERNESS but
• the [remnant] of her offspring fell into war AT HOME.

Therefore, SDA prophesy falsely when they appropriate 12:17 to themselves.

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It appears that some people have trouble with pride here.

(Not referring to you James)

And you think Jesus tortures and kill innocent women and children? Tell us, which fits in with our fundamental beliefs better, which explains the great controversy better:
Evil men and evil angels torturing innocent women and children
or
Jesus torturing innocent women and children?

I know of no where that APL has said that Jesus turns things over to evil men and evil angels to fill the order. Could you show us?

The subject is the Pope's SUNDAY LAW agenda.

That is YOUR opinion and interpretation.
I see your interpretation as being in error.

During the 1260 years the TRUE church (not the dominant church) fled into the wilderness. Wave after wave of armies were sent out by the dominant church to destroy the church in the wilderness, till it seemed they would all perish.
But the "earth" helped the woman.

What is symbolized by the "earth"? And how does the "earth" help the woman?

We see it in the next chapter, where a new nation arises from the "earth". We understand this nation to be the United States which became the leader of FREEDOM and equality in the world. Here God's people escaped from the relentless persecution in the old country.

It was in America (the country prophecy says rose from the "earth") where the great breach in God's law was repaired and united with the everlasting gospel of the three angels' messages.

For a time --
due to the "earth" giving the "remainder of her offspring" a time of relative peace, Satan's persecuting hand was restrained, but that just makes him madder --and with great fury he will seek to destroy the last of the woman's offspring.

Thus in Rev. 13 we see this same country that rose from "the earth" and helped the woman, transformed into an agent of satan and reviving and intensifying the persecution against the remaining children of the woman.

However you see who is what, it does not negate the fact that the woman was separated from the [remnant] of her offspring during AND for 1,260 days. The dragon's war with them (her offspring) was for 1,260 days, WHILE she was safe in the wilderness. It is a false prophet therefore who would say that, in these days, SDA are depicted in Rev. 12:17.

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I exported this post to the Global Warming Farce thread.

Why do you think the woman (God's people, the faithful church) was safe in the wilderness. Now the faithful church was definitely safer, then were she living in the papal dominated society, but totally safe, she was not.

Scripture only says that she was NOURISHED there for 1260 years.

What period of history is this predicting? Verse 6 mentions 1,260 days. Verse 14 calls the same period "a time, and times, and half a time." This same historical time-period is mentioned seven times in Daniel and Revelation. By studying the cumulative reports of this time period gives us reason to believe that the period refers to the centuries when an apostate papal power was using civil power to enforce it's brand of religion. Chiefly the 1260 day/years are during the Middle Ages (538-1798). During those centuries, the people of God, the church of Jesus Christ, was in the wilderness.


History shows that the papal armies were sent out time and again to exterminate the church in the wilderness, sometimes a miracle intervened, but often the armies would wreck havoc upon the people, wiping out whole villages.

That persecuting force was stopped FOR A TIME.
The "beast' that was given power to war with the saints, and to overcome them for 1260 years received a deadly wound. (See Rev. 13)

Near the end of the 1260 years the "earth" opened her mouth to receive the flood of persecution -- as a new land, far from papal control opened up.

But one thing is clear in scriptures -- though thwarted for a time, Satan's anger at the woman has dimmed.

He is marshaling his forces for a huge attack on those who "keep God's commandments and have the faith and the testimony of Jesus.

The smart thing to do is to be sure we are on Christ's side!
Anchored in Him with a vital connection.
He is our Savior, and with Him we can stand.