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Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: dedication] #176752
09/09/15 04:57 PM
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Chapter 39 in the GC contains many details and descriptions of things that happen before probation closes. I am inclined to believe some of those things begin to happen before probation closes and continue to happen afterward well into the outpouring of the plagues. Seems to me the plagues begin to fall soon after probation closes.

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Probation is ended a short time before the appearing of the Lord in the clouds of heaven. {LDE 230.2}

When Christ ceases His intercession in the sanctuary, the unmingled wrath threatened against those who worship the beast and his image and receive his mark (Revelation 14:9, 10), will be poured out. GC 627, 628 (1911). {LDE 244.1}

I saw that the four angels would hold the four winds until Jesus' work was done in the sanctuary, and then will come the seven last plagues. EW 36, 37 (1851). {LDE 245.1}

"The commencement of that time of trouble," here mentioned, does not refer to the time when the plagues shall begin to be poured out, but to a short period just before they are poured out, while Christ is in the sanctuary. At that time, while the work of salvation is closing, trouble will be coming on the earth, and the nations will be angry, yet held in check so as not to prevent the work of the third angel.--EW 85, 86 (1854). {LDE 143.2}

I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches, and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. Satan knows this; and before the loud cry of the third angel is given, he raises an excitement in these religious bodies, that those who have rejected the truth may think that God is with them.--EW 261 (1858). {LDE 158.1}

The world is soon to be left by the angel of mercy and the seven last plagues are to be poured out. . . . The bolts of God's wrath are soon to fall, and when He shall begin to punish the transgressors there will be no period of respite until the end.--TM 182 (1894). {LDE 238.2}

Certain passages seem to indicate a period of peace and silence will persist for a time immediately preceding and following the close of probation:

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The righteous and the wicked will still be living upon the earth in their mortal state--men will be planting and building, eating and drinking, all unconscious that the final, irrevocable decision has been pronounced in the sanctuary above.--GC 491 (1911). {LDE 231.1}

When the irrevocable decision of the sanctuary has been pronounced, and the destiny of the world has been forever fixed, the inhabitants of the earth will know it not. The forms of religion will be continued by a people from whom the Spirit of God has been finally withdrawn, and the satanic zeal with which the prince of evil will inspire them for the accomplishment of his malignant designs, will bear the semblance of zeal for God.--GC 615 (1911). {LDE 231.2}

The wheat and tares "grow together until the harvest." In the discharge of life's duties the righteous will to the last be brought in contact with the ungodly. The children of light are scattered among the children of darkness, that the contrast may be seen by all.--5T 100 (1882). {LDE 231.3}

Christ declared that when He comes some of His waiting people will be engaged in business transactions. Some will be sowing in the field, others reaping and gathering in the harvest, and others grinding at the mill.--Ms 26, 1901. {LDE 231.4}

I doubt Satan will first start personating the return of Christ during this short time. I am fairly certain it will begin before and continue through to the instant Jesus arrives.

Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: dedication] #176753
09/09/15 04:58 PM
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And I saw a flaming cloud come where Jesus stood. Then Jesus . . . took His place on the cloud which carried Him to the East, where it first appeared to the saints on earth--a small black cloud which was the sign of the Son of man. While the cloud was passing from the Holiest to the East, which took a number of days, the synagogue of Satan worshipped at the saints' feet. {Mar 287.7}

Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: Mountain Man] #176763
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
And I saw a flaming cloud come where Jesus stood. Then Jesus . . . took His place on the cloud which carried Him to the East, where it first appeared to the saints on earth--a small black cloud which was the sign of the Son of man. While the cloud was passing from the Holiest to the East, which took a number of days, the synagogue of Satan worshipped at the saints' feet. {Mar 287.7}


Excellent quote, MM.

I don't believe this is the only place where time passes though. In the statement I quoted the plagues are falling before the Sanctuary Service is completely finished, it will take some time to lead the Scapegoat, or Satan, into the land of forgetfulness. This forgetfulness is a clue actually, I believe.

Which brings me back to a question I asked earlier about when does the close of probation take place. Let me rephrase it this way; At what point in the service of the Heavenly Sanctuary does the close of probation take place? At what point in the Heavenly Sanctuary service is the remission of sins complete?

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Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: Mountain Man] #176764
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Blessings MM,

There isn't anything in all these statements you quoted that would lead me to believe that Satan's personation of Christ is before the close of probation! I do believe it takes place before the plagues start to fall, but, not before the close of probation.

If you read the chapter on the Time of Trouble in the Great Controversy, take into account the context of that whole chapter, there isn't any doubt in my mind that the personation of Christ's Second Coming by Satan is after the close of probation.

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Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: dedication] #176797
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Alchemy, I'm glad you are certain about what you believe. It is comforting to believe so firmly. I suppose Jesus waiting to allow Satan to personate His coming until after probation closes would serve to prevent the delusion from being too much for the translation generation. Time will tell.

Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: dedication] #176801
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Alchemy and Mountain Man, excellent quotes!


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: dedication] #176802
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"I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches, and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. Satan knows this; and before the loud cry of the third angel is given, he raises an excitement in these religious bodies, that those who have rejected the truth may think that God is with them."--EW 261 (1858). {LDE 158.1}


This quote from Mountain Man seems like something that could be starting now!

Does anyone have any thoughts on what "nominal Adventists" are?



"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: Mountain Man] #176806
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Alchemy, I'm glad you are certain about what you believe. It is comforting to believe so firmly. I suppose Jesus waiting to allow Satan to personate His coming until after probation closes would serve to prevent the delusion from being too much for the translation generation. Time will tell.
(bold emphasis mine)

That is another point I was going to make. Sister White says more than once that God's people will not be misled. I do believe this is one reason why. Although, she does say God has some help for His people at the time Satan shows up on the earth. The dazzling majesty Satan will be allowed to show will be more than we realize.

I do hope I am not coming on too strong. But, I truly believe I am on right track. I can't be sure I have all the information available at my disposal. So, as I learn more I adjust accordingly. But, I do believe in sharing what light I do have.

Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: Alchemy] #176807
09/12/15 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: Alchemy
Blessings MM,

Just another statement from Sister White;

I saw that the two-horned beast had a dragon’s mouth, and that his power was in his head, and that the decree would go out of his mouth. Then I saw the Mother of Harlots; that the mother was not the daughters, but separate and distinct from them. She has had her day, and it is past, and her daughters, the Protestant sects, were the next to come on the stage and act out the same mind that the mother had when she persecuted the saints. I saw that as the mother has been declining in power, the daughters had been growing, and soon they will exercise the power once exercised by the mother. {SpM 1.4} (bold emphasis mine)

Here Sister White clearly says the two-horned beast with the dragon mouth would rise up over time as the first beast in Revelation, the Mother of Harlots, was declining.


Sure knocks the socks off of the papacy reemergence theory that is imbedded in so many of these posts. But when tradition creeps into the church, it is difficult to root it out no matter what the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy says.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Seven Heads on beast [Re: ProdigalOne] #176810
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
"I saw that God has honest children among the nominal Adventists and the fallen churches, and before the plagues shall be poured out, ministers and people will be called out from these churches and will gladly receive the truth. Satan knows this; and before the loud cry of the third angel is given, he raises an excitement in these religious bodies, that those who have rejected the truth may think that God is with them."--EW 261 (1858). {LDE 158.1}


This quote from Mountain Man seems like something that could be starting now!

Does anyone have any thoughts on what "nominal Adventists" are?



Blessings ProdigalOne,

I agree that we should be giving the trumpet that certain sound now! But, we know that Satan is going to excite other churches into something to make them believe that God is with them when God isn't in the message they preach.

As far as the nominal Adventists go; You ask a painful question. In describing what a nominal Adventist is, we are going to step on some toes here in this site.

But, we need to be able to recognize them all the same.

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