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Re: The Royal Priesthood
[Re: Alchemy]
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09/22/15 12:44 AM
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dedication wrote;
"The only true extension of the Levitical priesthood (as well as Melchisedec's priesthood) is in Christ who is our HIGH PRIEST in the heavenly sanctuary. He is the fulfillment of all those priestly types. The Levitical priesthood ended at the cross." (bold emphasis mine)
And, as always, you haven't offered any support for the end of the Levitical Priesthood! 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 declares your idea to be Biblically wrong.
It is very important to understand that all three of these all male Priesthoods are still valid to this day. The High Priest orders of Melchizedek and Aaron are fulfilled by Christ at this time in the Heavenly Sanctuary, while the priestly order is to be fulfilled by the preachers of the Gospel on the earth. Alchemy, Mrs. White and the Bible BOTH show Dedication to be biblically incorrect on this point. Consider the following from the 1911 edition of the book "Great Controversy" by Mrs. White where she uses a passage from the book of Joel chapter 2, a passage often used by WO supporters to indicate that women can minister, but a passage that shows incontrovertibly that it was the priests who were ministers. Consider that Mrs. White applies the passage clearly to our day. There are several parts of this passage that apply to the discussion. In the interest of letting each reader see these things for himself or herself, I will not add any text formatting this time, and would encourage a careful, prayerful, reading of the entire portion. It's not really so long, and it applies clearly to the solemn times we live in now. The prophet Jeremiah, looking forward to this fearful time, exclaimed: "I am pained at my very heart. . . . I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war. Destruction upon destruction is cried." Jeremiah 4:19, 20. {GC 310.2}
"That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, a day of the trumpet and alarm." Zephaniah 1:15, 16. "Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, . . . to lay the land desolate: and He shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it." Isaiah 13:9. {GC 310.3}
In view of that great day the word of God, in the most solemn and impressive language, calls upon His people to arouse from their spiritual lethargy and to seek His face with repentance and humiliation: "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand." "Sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children: . . . let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar." "Turn ye even to Me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: and rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for He is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness." Joel 2:1, 15-17, 12, 13. {GC 311.1}
To prepare a people to stand in the day of God, a great work of reform was to be accomplished. God saw that many of His professed people were not building for eternity, and in His mercy He was about to send a message of warning to arouse them from their stupor and lead them to make ready for the coming of the Lord. {GC 311.2}
This warning is brought to view in Revelation 14. Here is a threefold message represented as proclaimed by heavenly beings and immediately followed by the coming of the Son of man to reap "the harvest of the earth." The first of these warnings announces the approaching judgment. The prophet beheld an angel flying "in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." Revelation 14:6, 7. {GC 311.3}
This message is declared to be a part of "the everlasting gospel." The work of preaching the gospel has not been committed to angels, but has been entrusted to men. Holy angels have been employed in directing this work, they have in charge the great movements for the salvation of men; but the actual proclamation of the gospel is performed by the servants of Christ upon the earth. {GC 312.1} Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: The Royal Priesthood
[Re: Green Cochoa]
#177010
09/22/15 01:08 AM
09/22/15 01:08 AM
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dedication wrote;
"The only true extension of the Levitical priesthood (as well as Melchisedec's priesthood) is in Christ who is our HIGH PRIEST in the heavenly sanctuary. He is the fulfillment of all those priestly types. The Levitical priesthood ended at the cross." (bold emphasis mine)
And, as always, you haven't offered any support for the end of the Levitical Priesthood! 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 declares your idea to be Biblically wrong.
It is very important to understand that all three of these all male Priesthoods are still valid to this day. The High Priest orders of Melchizedek and Aaron are fulfilled by Christ at this time in the Heavenly Sanctuary, while the priestly order is to be fulfilled by the preachers of the Gospel on the earth. Alchemy, Mrs. White and the Bible BOTH show Dedication to be biblically incorrect on this point. Consider the following from the 1911 edition of the book "Great Controversy" by Mrs. White where she uses a passage from the book of Joel chapter 2, a passage often used by WO supporters to indicate that women can minister, but a passage that shows incontrovertibly that it was the priests who were ministers. Consider that Mrs. White applies the passage clearly to our day. There are several parts of this passage that apply to the discussion. In the interest of letting each reader see these things for himself or herself, I will not add any text formatting this time, and would encourage a careful, prayerful, reading of the entire portion. It's not really so long, and it applies clearly to the solemn times we live in now. The prophet Jeremiah, looking forward to this fearful time, exclaimed: "I am pained at my very heart. . . . I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war. Destruction upon destruction is cried." Jeremiah 4:19, 20. {GC 310.2}
"That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, a day of the trumpet and alarm." Zephaniah 1:15, 16. "Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, . . . to lay the land desolate: and He shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it." Isaiah 13:9. {GC 310.3}
In view of that great day the word of God, in the most solemn and impressive language, calls upon His people to arouse from their spiritual lethargy and to seek His face with repentance and humiliation: "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand." "Sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children: . . . let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar." "Turn ye even to Me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: and rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for He is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness." Joel 2:1, 15-17, 12, 13. {GC 311.1}
To prepare a people to stand in the day of God, a great work of reform was to be accomplished. God saw that many of His professed people were not building for eternity, and in His mercy He was about to send a message of warning to arouse them from their stupor and lead them to make ready for the coming of the Lord. {GC 311.2}
This warning is brought to view in Revelation 14. Here is a threefold message represented as proclaimed by heavenly beings and immediately followed by the coming of the Son of man to reap "the harvest of the earth." The first of these warnings announces the approaching judgment. The prophet beheld an angel flying "in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." Revelation 14:6, 7. {GC 311.3}
This message is declared to be a part of "the everlasting gospel." The work of preaching the gospel has not been committed to angels, but has been entrusted to men. Holy angels have been employed in directing this work, they have in charge the great movements for the salvation of men; but the actual proclamation of the gospel is performed by the servants of Christ upon the earth. {GC 312.1} Blessings, Green Cochoa. Blessings Green, This conversation is split up in a few threads now, but, your post was a great blessing. The clarity of what Sister White says in calling for the "priests, the ministers of the Lord" is a very powerful statement.
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Re: The Royal Priesthood
[Re: dedication]
#177011
09/22/15 01:11 AM
09/22/15 01:11 AM
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I have copied this from a thread I started in "SDA Church Issues";
I will start with a Bible verse I have mentioned more than once;
1 Corinthians 9:13-14; Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
I believe, the Apostle Paul declares that God has ordained a sacred connection between the Levitical Priesthood and the preachers of the Gospel today. I would say our Pastors of today. Even though many people can and do preach the gospel, this is especially expected and practiced among Pastors of God's Remnant Church.
Ellen White also makes a few statements relevant to this topic;
The time of Daniel’s work, as a chosen vessel of honor for God, was six hundred years before Christ. In this book we find many miracles, and marked, positive evidences that the Lord God of heaven ruled. The Jewish nation were in captivity, scattered as the Lord declared they would be if they did not as His peculiar people honor and glorify God. They departed from God; they did not fear and honor His holy name, and the temple in which they gloried was destroyed. Their sacred rites, their sacrifices and ceremonies, ceased. The sacred order of the Levitical priesthood was no longer maintained. Their form of religious service, which the Lord had given them as a blessing whereby they might have a pure and understanding faith, and, through the sacrificial offerings, see Christ as the one who would take away the sin of the world, became a ceremonious transaction. The outward ceremonies took the place of the inward work of the heart. The splendid dress of the priests covered hearts that were not renewed by the spirit of the Lord. The outward signs of their religious service were broken up, and the word of the Lord was fulfilled.—Manuscript 122, 1897, 1. (“Daniel,” March 10, 1897.) {7MR 333.3}
Paul asks, “Is Christ divided?” Have we not one spiritual Head? Christ has been the uniting stone, the chief corner-stone, in all ages. The patriarchs, the Levitical priesthood, and Christians of today, all have their center in him. He is all and in all. “The grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” {RH January 3, 1899, par. 17}
Shepherds who fail at home will fail at church—He who is engaged in the work of the gospel ministry must be faithful in his family life. It is as essential that as a father he should improve the talents God has given him for the purpose of making the home a symbol of the heavenly family, as that in the work of the ministry, he should make use of his God-given powers to win souls for the church. As the priest in the home, and as the ambassador of Christ in the church, he should exemplify in his life the character of Christ. He must be faithful in watching for souls as one that must give an account. In his service there must be seen no carelessness and inattentive work. God will not serve with the sins of men who have not a clear sense of the sacred responsibility involved in accepting a position as pastor of a church. He who fails to be a faithful, discerning shepherd in the home, will surely fail of being a faithful shepherd of the flock of God in the church.—Manuscript Releases 6:49. {PaM 88.3}
Sister White clearly treats the Levitical Priesthood as sacred and even applies it the today leaders in the church.
I understand there are differences in practices between the Levitical Priesthood and the Pastors of today as I have mentioned before, but, there is still that sacredness that connects these two practices together.
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