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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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10/04/15 09:55 PM
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Blessings Alchemy,
Rev 8:5 "And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, lightnings, and an earthquake." The ministration of Jesus will end in the heavenly sanctuary when the ashes cast down to earth.
Christ declare when He cast down the ashes. Rev 22:11 "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still."
"When the work of the investigative judgment closes, the destiny of all will have been decided for life or death. Probation is ended a short time before the appearing of the Lord in the clouds of heaven." Mar. 263.1
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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10/04/15 10:00 PM
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Rev. 14:9-11 “And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
This is the third angel’s warning message that no one should receive the mark of the beast. Whosoever receives the mark of the beast they will be drinking the wine of the wrath of God. They will be punished by fire and brimstone. And their smoke will rise up for ever and ever.
Who will be punished by fire, smoke and brimstone? Those who worship and receive the mark of the beast will be punished. Notice that there is apparent parallel to the sixth trumpet of fire, smoke and brimstone.
The four angels cease to hold the four corners of the earth at an appointed time. Rev. 9:17 says, “And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone”.
These three things of fire, smoke and brimstone are called “plagues” in verse 20 of Chap. 9. Thus whosoever receives the mark of the beast will receive the plagues of fire, smoke and brimstone.
Rev. 9:20 “And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:”
However, the verse indicates that there will be men who are not killed by these three plagues of the fire, smoke and brimstone.
If these are the threats to the unrepentant sinners, we must look at the sixth plague to unlock the sixth trumpets. What was the purpose to issue the three things of fire, smoke and brimstone? Are these indicating that there are three identities to punish for their unrighteousness? Why do they deserve these kinds of punishment?
Rev. 16:13 “And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of (1) the dragon, and out of the mouth of (2) the beast, and out of the mouth of (3) the false prophet.”
We have already identified that the beast, which ascended up from the bottomless pit (Rev. 11:7, 17:8), is one of the three unclean spirits. So the dragon and the false prophets are joining the ecumenical movement with the beast. The identities of the dragon and the false prophets are not difficult to figure out. The prominent eastern religion is Buddies, which they worship dragon. The false prophets are apostate church.
The Buddies are become the habitation of devils by worshipping dragon. The beast has “every foul spirit” by worshipping dead ‘saints’. The false prophets are talking false doctrines, which depicted as “a cage of every unclean and hateful bird”.
Rev. 18:2 “And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils (the dragon), and the hold of every foul spirit (the beast), and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird (the false prophets).”
Conclusively, the sixth trumpet is direct warning to the sixth plague.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
[Re: Karen Y]
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10/20/15 01:20 AM
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The linear way of parallelism between the sixth seal and sixth church also indicate the second coming of Jesus just as the sixth plague and sixth trumpet.
Sixth Seal – “…great earthquake…sun became black…moon became as blood…stars of heaven fell…heaven departed…mountain…moved out…Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne…” Rev. 6:12-17
Sixth Church – “ …Philadelphia…he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;… Behold, I come quickly:…” Rev. 3:7-12
Sixth Plague – “ …upon the great river Euphrates…the way of the kings of the east might be prepared…” Rev. 16:12-16
Sixth Trumpet – “…Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates…” Rev. 9:13-21
Isa. 34:16 “Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.”
When we can compare and match verse-by-verse that meant to be connected each other, the meaning becomes obviously clear. Then we should be able to see the prophecy at one glance.
Hab. 2:2 “And the Lord answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.”
Rev.1-3 Seven Churches => must go through the judgment to be sealed.
Rev. 4-5 Heavenly counsels perform judgment (inserted message)
Rev. 6-7 Seven Seals (sealing the saints)
Rev. 8-11 Seven Trumpets => Satan’s identity must be exposed by the trumpet.
Rev. 12-14 Satan’s identity exposed (inserted message)
Rev. 15-16 Seven Plagues (plagues fall upon wicked)
Rev. 17-18 Collapse of the great city Babylon => Rev. 19 Second coming of Jesus
Rev. 20 Review the judgment of God => Rev. 21-22 New Heaven and New Earth
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
[Re: Karen Y]
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10/21/15 02:54 PM
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The Book of Revelation explains how God will bring His master plan of redemption of mankind to completion. We know that the number seven in the Bible reflects the idea of completeness. So the major events of the book are organized according to patterns of sevens; 1). Seven Churches, 2). Seven Seals, 3). Seven Trumpets, 4). Seven Plagues.
In the Seven Churches, Jesus Christ warns the churches out of love, to encourage us all to repent and overcome our sins and overcome the powers of Satan’s kingdom. (Chap. 1-3)
God's people sealed in the Seven Seals. (Chap. 6-7)
The Seven Trumpets describe the punishment to the wicked. (Chap. 8-11). Man is not left without a warning.
The wicked refuses to repent even God sends a clear message but blasphemes God of heaven. So the Seven last Plagues fall. (Chap. 16).
This is the framework of the book of Revelation that we may come to understand the master plan of redemption of God.
Notice that the message to the seven churches is describing the condition within the church. With the parallel to the seven churches, the Seven Seals describe the condition without. Thus the successive Christian church has emerged in much more meaningful details in the comprehensive overview.
In the same way, the Seven Plagues parallel with the Seven Trumpets. Each plague is talking about destruction of either physical or spiritual realms. If the Trumpets are the threats to the unrepentant sinners; we must take a look to match with each of the Seven Plagues. Apparently, they do correlate!
1st Plague ; destruction upon the earth => 1st Trumpet ; upon the earth 2nd Plague ; devastation upon the sea => 2nd Trumpet ; upon the sea 3rd Plague ; devastation of rivers and fresh water => 3rd T. ; same 4th Plague ; Sun scorching => 4th T. ; heavenly bodies troubled 5th Plague ; Seat of the beast darkened => 5th T. ; darkened and tortured 6th Plague ; whole world gather together => 6th T.; four angels release for enormous destruction 7th Plague ; It is done => 7th Trumpet; kingdoms of this world become kingdoms of our Lord
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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10/22/15 08:20 PM
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What do you make of all this?
Karen, did you answer his question?
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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10/25/15 12:35 AM
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Sorry, I am not so sure about what he/she is asking if I did not make a sense in an attmept to reply on 10-04-15.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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10/27/15 01:40 AM
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Armageddon Battle
Rev. 16:14 “For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.”
The true agenda of ecumenical movement is to destroy God’s people nonetheless they appear to seek a world peace.
Dan. 8:23-25 “And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.”
Differences of religion likely bring animosity each other. But the three foul spirits of Buddies, Catholic, and Christianity unite which is a miracle or wonder of wonder.
Abbadon is named for individual destroyers. (Rev. 9:11) It is called Armageddon when the trifold destroyers are gathered – the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet. (Rev. 16:16). And the movement is already very strong.
The sixth plague is Armageddon battle by the great river of Euphrates. There was Megiddo by the great river of Euphrates. (2 King 23:29, Judges 5:19). Thus, Megiddo and Armageddon have a correlation prophetically. Judges 5:19 “The kings came and fought, then fought the kings of Canaan in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money.”
“No gain of money” is one of the keys to unlock Armageddon battle.
Rev. 13:17-18 “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”
These verses portray a fierce economy conflict of war without a border, prophetically, at the time of the end. Money, money, money is the issue of the fight at the global battlefield.
Luke 21:34 “And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.”
Zech. 12:11 “In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.”
Joel 3:2 “I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.”
The valley of Megiddo is same place as the valley of Jehoshaphat. Notice what has happened at the valley of Jehoshaphat. God said He would judge the nations. Thus at the time of the end there is judgment of God going on in heaven concurrently when the foul spirits unite themselves upon the earth. God has to judge the nations with Sabbath to save His own. The Sabbath is the eye of the Lord in the judgment.
Zech. 4:10 “For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.”
“The day of small things” refers to Sabbath, which no one should despise. They are the eyes of the Lord that measures up everything in judgment.
The place of Megiddo named as valley of Jehoshaphat after triumphant victory when the children of Ammon and Moab and mount Seir came against Jehoshaphat.
2 Chron. 20:15 “And he said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem, and thou king Jehoshaphat, Thus saith the Lord unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's.”
2 Chron. 20:21,22 “And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed singers unto the Lord, and that should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army, and to say, Praise the Lord; for his mercy endureth for ever. And when they began to sing and to praise, the Lord set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten.”
Another thing happened at the valley of Megiddo, which was a great mourning. Why? Josiah king, who was a very good king in the sight of the Lord, was killed at the battlefield of Megiddo.
2 King 23:25, 29 “And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the Lord with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him. In his days Pharaohnechoh king of Egypt went up against the king of Assyria to the river Euphrates: and king Josiah went against him; and he slew him at Megiddo, when he had seen him.”
Prophetically, at the time of the end God’s people will be threatened and be killed like king Josiah.
The battle of Armageddon is an economic war without border. There are 29 merchandise lists in Rev. 18:12-13, which entire world is involved with. One man is in control. Rev. 13:18 “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.” Notice, who has a real control of IBRD (International Bank for Reconstruction and Development) through World Bank? The beast, right?
Armageddon => Religion Megiddo => Economy Judgment => Jehoshaphat
Conclusively, Armageddon battle is not only in the future time but already has begun. There is judgment of God going on in the heaven right now. There is fierce economy war globally right now. There is ecumenical movement going forth strong right now. No wonder Jesus said, “Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame” (Rev. 16:15) at the sixth plague.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
[Re: Karen Y]
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10/31/15 01:44 PM
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Karen Y said:
"Differences of religion likely bring animosity each other. But the three foul spirits of Buddies, Catholic, and Christianity unite which is a miracle or wonder of wonder."
The first of the three foul spirits is "Buddies"? Is that a typo?
"...I will not forget you. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."
Isaiah 49:15-16
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
[Re: ProdigalOne]
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10/31/15 10:12 PM
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The three unclean spirits; The dragon represents paganism, the beast, Catholicism, the false prophet, apostate Protestantism.
The paganism primarily consists of Buddhists of orient. They worship dragons. In the context of the Rev. 16:13, the three unclean spirits are religious agencies that uniting the entire world under the banner of Satan. The dragon of the three unclean spirits is not representing Satan here. But in essence, the paganism, which is the Buddhists of orient.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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11/03/15 03:54 PM
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The dragon had given to the beast “his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
Does paganism give Catholicism power seat and great authority?
Why doesn't the dragon represent spiritualism? When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {Mar 190.2}
"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
The unclean spirits come out of the mouth of the dragon, beast, and false prophet.
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