James wrote;

"Daniels beasts cover till Rome comes on the scene. The Spirit of Prophecy says Rome continues to the end. So there are three phases of Rome represented in Revelation 12/ 13 & 17. All three beasts with seven heads and ten horns represent Rome. This is a fundamental principle of Scripture that EVERY SINGLE REFORMER AND PIONEER AGREED ON. " (bold emphasis mine)

But, in Revelation 12, the Bible clearly states that the beast with seven heads and ten horns is Satan! Satan is behind Babylon in all its phases. This is the main reason why God's Remnant Church can't ever be Babylon. God's Remnant Church has God as its foundation while Babylon has Satan as its foundation.

So, whoever may believe differently on this point, you have the right to believe what you want. But, that doesn't make what you believe to be right. The Bible clearly states that the beast is Satan in Revelation 12, and that beast is always Satan.

Now, how is Satan representing himself and through whom? Babylon! And through all the representations of Babylon down through the ages. Now, Rome is the most prominent of these representations and will be the head of the three-fold union of Babylon in the future. But, it is a representation of Babylon all the same.

James wrote;

"So what is a head in prophecy according to Daniel?

As we have seen the leader of Babylon was the image head, but there are other examples too. Like the Leopard beast which has four heads. WHY FOUR HEADS? Because after the death of Alexander the Great his kingdom was divided between his four generals. FOUR HEADS.

This is the most natural interpretation of the term "head". the leader, or HEAD OF STATE."

Excellent point, but, misapplied.

All four of these generals formed four different nations! They were no longer just Greece, they all came from Greece though. Remember, in Daniel 11, it was from this divide of the Greek Empire that the king of the North and South come on the scene.

Never does multiple heads or kings applied to one and the same nation. Even with Rome!

James wrote;

"ALL OF THE PROTESTANT REFORMERS AGREED Rome had seven forms of Government from the beginning till the popes. They were "Kings" beginning in 753 BC, "Consuls" beginning in 509 BC, "Decemvirs" beginning in 498 BC, "Dictators" beginning in beginning in 451 BC, "Triumvirs" Beginning in 59 BC, "Emperors" beginning in 27 BC, and POPES beginning in 538 AD.

Uriah Smith said that this understanding "is one which has characterized the Adventist movement from the beginning, through the first, second, and third messages, to the present time, and is only beginning within a few years to be called in question...for scholars declared before the Adventist movement began, that Rome had presented to the world, as a unique and marvelous feature of history, seven distinct forms of government. All that the Adventists did, was to say, as the most natural thing in the world, that if Rome did have seven forms of government, the seven heads of the dragon, which was a symbol of Rome, must be designed to represent that fact"

So do you think the pioneers deserve to be held in high enough esteem that this should be accepted?

The seven heads of the beast in Revelation 12 are the seven DIFFERENT FORMS OF ROMAN GOVERNMENT."

I am not aware of any example in the Bible where heads and mountains are treated this way! I believe Uriah Smith is wrong if this is what he taught. There were multiple kings in Medo-Persia, yet, Medo-Persia only counts for one metal or beast. And Medo-Persia is counted as a beast in Daniel 7 and 8.

This idea of seven forms of government makes for a good counterfeit, but, that is all. Rome is counted in two heads, numbers 4 and 5, and then is part of Babylon in the end of time. And the prominence of Rome even now can't be missed. This will have to do.

Here are the 7/8 kings from Revelation 17;

1) Babylon
2) Medo-Persia
3) Greece
4) Imperial Rome (used by Satan in Revelation 12)
5) Papal Rome (little horn from Daniel 7 and 8)
5) Papal Rome (first beast, leopard-like in Revelation 13)
6) Lamb-like two horn beast with Dragon mouth (USA, 1798 to the present time)
7) Image of the Beast (third beast in Revelation 13 and ten horns in Revelation 17)
8) Babylon (Papacy, Apostate Protestantism and Spiritualism w/ Papacy as head)

And I would say this is absolute because the Bible says so.

Are you a Seventh Day Adventist? Have you even read the Great Controversy? Required reading for any SDA!!!! Because this is elementary and I wish someone here would step in and give you council, but it seems no one else is up to the challenge. Or you are continuing to test me. God hasn't that prayer yet I guess.

In the prophecy of Revelation 12 we find the dragon ready to kill the man child, Christ Jesus. Who tried to kill Jesus at His birth? ROME. Who nailed Him to a cross? ROME!



So you are half correct. But I was right on, unless you want to tell everyone here you don't believe in the Spirit of Prophecy, to which I would say "why are you here?"

WRONG!!!! We are not talking about a nation but an EMPIRE made up of many nations. The KINGDOM was divided into four parts.




If you can wrap your mind around that for a minute and digest it, then apply that symbolic structure here;



THE PAPACY!!!! Which symbolically is also Babylon the Great the Mother of Harlots!

A good counterfeit? You test my patience.

The Protestant REFORMERS and the Seventh Day Adventist PIONEERS said these things under the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit during the three angels messages and you say this is a counterfeit? PLEASE GOD HELP ME!!!!

Blessings James,

In my last post, just above the post of yours I am responding to, I listed Imperial Rome as #4. I also mentioned in parentheses that Satan used Imperial Rome in Revelation 12. I guess you could have missed that though.

Also, Rome is also a representation of Babylon.

1) In 1 Peter 5:13, Peter mentions Babylon and this is the church in Rome.

2) In GC88 237, Sister White directly compares Rome and the Papacy with Babylon.

3) Revelation 12 leaves no room for doubt that the primary meaning of the Beast is that "old serpent called the Devil and Satan".

I would say I am correct on these points.

(bold emphasis mine)

If you look at the list I posted, Imperial Rome is one head all to itself and Papal Rome is one head all to itself. There isn't multiple heads for one nation!

Even with Greece, the one horn split into four horns to represent the division of Greece. Or the leopard went from having one head to four heads. You don't have multiple heads or horns or kings to represent one nation in Bible Prophecy.

If I am so wrong, please, demonstrate from the Bible and Ellen White my error.