Is Babylon literally still in existence? Can you tell me the name of their current king? Do they ambassadors in the UN so I can do some research? You are so smart I need to learn from you I guess. I must be terribly mistaken I thought we are in the 21st Century.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

It is not possible once we are sealed.

If Uriah Smith, who was close and personal to Mrs White, wrote in a book Mrs White said was blessed by God, said that EVERY pioneer of the SDA church believed the seven heads on the beast are the seven different forms of ROMAN government, is that not good enough for you?

But the Spirit of Prophecy says, "This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction." (Rev. 17:9-11)

The Angel of the Lord clearly and unequivocally states that the heads are NOT forms of Roman government but kings: seven in all, and an eighth, belonging to ONE system of government.

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That is the third phase of Rome when there there appears an eighth. HE is OUT OF the seven HILLS of Rome. Read the original text it doesn't say he is OF but OUT OF. So Rome was the origin of the "beast that was and is not" The Jesuits who were once excluded and reintroduced by the sixth king John Paul II. AND the eighth king came from OUT of the mountains of Rome. The first pope ever elected from OUT OF Europe.

God showed me that the seven heads on the first phase of the Roman empire are the seven different forms of ROMAN government. That is Revelation 12.

Then the seventh head of the Dragon beast, the Papacy, becomes the beast itself so why would the seven heads continue to be seven forms of ROMAN Government in the second phase of Rome in Rev 13? REPEAT AND ENLARGE takes that head and amplifies it. The heads become symbolic of the complete line of Popes in Revelation 17.

Then the third phase gets specific about the last seven popes, then there is an eighth. Perfectly in line with prophetic principles yet you will argue.

Blessings James,

I am not talking about literal Babylon, but, spiritual Babylon.

Just a little history I believe is needed here. Nimrod founds the City of Babel which becomes Babylon. This is the seat of Satan on the earth. But, Babylon is the one nation that searched out who turn the sundial back ten degrees. (remember Judah and Babylon.) Then God promises to make Babylon a desolation because of its wickedness. God is good to His word and today the ancient city of Babylon lay in ruins.

With Satan's seat destroyed, he needs to find another and he chooses to take it out of Christianity. This is the City of Rome. This is why Rome has been so prominent these last 2000 years or so.

So, now it is the plan of Satan to get his Babylon back by controlling the entire world. It is about Babylon! All these other nations have been different representations of Babylon down through these many centuries. This includes Rome as well.

I hope you understand my point now.

Did Ellen White ever write that the seven heads on the beasts in Revelation were the seven forms of government of Rome?

All the pioneers did, and she was a pioneer, and here is what she said.... "The “man of sin,” which is also styled “the mystery of iniquity,” “the son of perdition,” and “that wicked,” represents the papacy..." {GC 356.1}

The eighth head is the Son of PERDITION.

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

"I saw the rapidity with which this delusion (Ghosts) was spreading. A train of cars was shown me, going with the speed of lightning. The angel bade me look carefully. I fixed my eyes upon the train. It seemed that the whole world was on board, that there could not be one left. Said the angel, “They are binding in bundles ready to burn.” Then he showed me the conductor, who appeared like a stately, fair person, whom all the passengers looked up to and reverenced. I was perplexed and asked my attending angel who it was. He said, “It is Satan. He is the conductor in the form of an angel of light. He has taken the world captive. They are given over to strong delusions, to believe a lie, that they may be damned. This agent, the next highest in order to him, is the engineer, and other of his agents are employed in different offices as he may need them, and they are all going with lightning speed to perdition.” {EW 88.2}

So if the eighth king of Rev 17 is the son of Perdition and Mrs White said the son of perdition is the Papacy then who is this "stately fair PERSON" in the quote above? It's the eighth papal king. No other entity fits this. And no one will ever be able to convince me otherwise because God showed me, but none of you seem to get that.

“It is one of the leading doctrines of Romanism that the pope is the visible HEAD of the universal church of Christ, invested with supreme authority over bishops and pastors in all parts of the world. More than this, the pope has been given the very titles of Deity. He has been styled “Lord God the Pope”, and has been declared infallible. He demands the homage of all men. The same claim urged by Satan in the wilderness of temptation is still urged by him through the Church of Rome, and vast numbers are ready to yield him homage.” {Great Controversy pg 50.3}

Right there she calls the pope the HEAD of the universal church and you will all scoff. The pope is the HEAD.

"And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death..." {Rev 13:3} This is the seven headed beast of Rev 13. One of his HEADS was wounded to death. This is the best evidence of who the seven heads are PLEASE READ CAREFULLY.

"We looked upon the bust of Pius VI... who was led into captivity and died in captivity. Here was the one marked in history who received the deadly wound. His heart is encased in the marble monument beneath where the bust is located. We felt rather solemn as we looked upon the monument of this man noted in prophecy." (Letter 110, November 4, 1886.)

THIS MAN noted in prophecy was the HEAD who received the deadly wound. This is it. If you don't agree then you do not support the Spirit of Prophecy. Case closed.

You misinterpret the Holy Word.

The Spirit of Prophecy unequivocally states, "This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction." (Rev. 17:9-11)

1. Seven hills identifies the beast, geographically.
2. Seven kings (seven individual men, ruling consecutively) identifies the beast, politically.

It is not proper for you now to invent your own elaborately convoluted interpretation and then claim Divine revelation contrary to scripture. Be humble.

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Blessings James,

You wrote; "Right there she calls the pope the HEAD of the universal church and you will all scoff. The pope is the HEAD."

No. She does not call the Pope the Head of all the churches. She says the Pope claims himself to be the head of all the churches. Not the same thing at all.

Well, the seven heads are not the seven forms of government of Rome.

God Bless.