WOW!

After watching that video with Danny Shelton and Colin Standish, I am very shocked that anyone could lie like that at the expense of God's earthly sanctuary. I hope God can still have mercy on Ron Wyatt's soul!

I never knew about this experience between Ron Wyatt and 3ABN. Extremely deceptive!

Is it not written that God said, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge"?

That anyone would go looking for the ark of the covenant or speak of the Messiah's blood falling through cracks and wanting $10,000 to pursue the idea shows COMPLETE IGNORANCE about the Messianic Atonement. What is worse is that SDA, who should know so much better than anyone, would fall for such a BLATANT scam!

Heb. 9 says, "Now even the first covenant had regulations of divine worship and the earthly sanctuary ..." a thing which prefigured something greater. "But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation ..."

There are times when I feel like hitting SDA in the head! How could you be so fundamentally stupid and ignorantly foolish? Do the prophecies not mean anything to you at all that you suddenly forget about them and run after those who shout lies? How could you speak of yourself as "the elect" when you are so easily deceived?

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As a biologist green, have you seen ANY organism that had a haploid number of chromosomes plus one? You still have to have cell division, as a biologist can a haploid number plus one do this? Have you ever seen it? No, you have not, if you are a biologist. And was Christ made like His brothers? YES, with the SEED of Abraham, that is DNA. NO, 24 chromosomes, 23+1, will not work. You have NO EVIDENCE that it can work, and we have NO EVIDENCE that Christ had such blood, and it is contrary to the Bible.

As for doing DNA studies on blood, it is true that RBCs do not have a nucleus, but there are other cells in the blood that do. But we still have NO EVIDENCE that that Wyatt found any blood at all.

Yes, many. It is common among some organisms. I'm a beekeeper, for one, and bee queens actually choose whether or not to fertilize their eggs using a male sperm which they have stored. A fertilized egg becomes female. A non-fertilized one (haploid) becomes a drone.

Other notable examples, courtesy of Wikipedia:

Organism	Picture	Scientific name	Diploid number of chromosomes (2n = x), except as noted	Notes
Echidna			63/64	63 (X1Y1X2Y2X3Y3X4Y4X5, male) and 64 (X1X1X2X2X3X3X4X4X5X5, female)[27]
Raccoon dog		Nyctereutes procyonoides	42	some sources say sub-species differ with 38, 54, and even 56 chromosomes
European honey bee		Apis mellifera	32	32 for females, males are haploid and thus have 16.
Swamp wallaby		Wallabia bicolor	10/11	11 for male, 10 for female[54]
Nematode		Caenorhabditis elegans	12/11	12 for hermaphrodites, 11 for males
Indian muntjac		Muntiacus muntjak	06/7 !6/7[56]	female/male
Spider mite			04 !4–14[58]	Spider mites (family Tetranychidae) are typically haplodiploidy (males are haploid, while females are diploid)[58]
Jack jumper ant		Myrmecia pilosula	02 !2[60]	2 for females, males are haploid and thus have 1; smallest number possible. Other ant species have more chromosomes.[60]

Note, in particular, the swamp wallaby.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green, is the swamp Wallaby haploid? No.

Again, the idea the Christian was haploid is contrary to scripture. Read Hebrews.

Yes, bees can be haploid.

APL,

The fact is, many animals ARE haploid. It's not a problem, apparently. Christ, the Creator of all, could certainly have added a single chromosome to that which He was to inherit from Mary to supply anything at all that He needed. There is nothing in the Bible to speak of His DNA. DNA, you recall, does not equal "flesh" nor "blood" (red blood cells don't even have any chromosomes in them, as you've acknowledged).

To me, this entire DNA issue is not worthy of debating. For those who presume to know more about how God could have come in the flesh with respect to the DNA which He Himself invented than God Himself has chosen to reveal, I have nothing more to say. What God makes no issue of, I make no issue of. God is all-powerful, and all-wise. He could have somehow had but a single chromosome, or none at all, so far as I am concerned, and it would make no difference to the plan of salvation, nor to His human flesh. I see no necessity for Jesus to have begun as a haploid sperm to impregnate Mary--in fact, as I see it, the Bible teaches that Jesus came to this world at His birth, not at conception.

It would honestly make no difference to my high respect for Jesus if I were to learn that He had not adopted a single chromosome from Mary, but had rather come with His own genetic material. I choose to believe, as I am told, that He was fully human and fully divine at the same time--at that suffices. The "divine" part is the key. It's an obvious addition to the base framework that could have been made in an infinity of "divine" ways beyond our ken.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I agree, all it would take is a few drops on the lid. That's why my question was about how much would it take to accomplish that.

So, I'm confused by your response. It's like you didn't read my question. "depending on the length/absorption of the blood in the crack". Yes, that was what my question was about.

Mixed with water? Where did that water come from? From out of the blood. Thereby making the blood less fluid. More sticky.

Were you addressing any of my questions?

I think APL had a good point I hadn't thought of! But you suggest resealing a crack in the rock.
To be water proof.
By an earthquake.

Really?

Huh? Did you read APL's question? Or is it you just don't understand his question? Or not understand chromosomes?

Maybe not a genetic type of "biologist"?


Ah! And someone must have pointed that out to Wyatt, hence his double stepping. Glad you at least see that.

Green, was that talking about what APL was? Was that addressing what he was saying? What is it you don't understand about his question?

Why? Why any chromosome? Why only one?

Does "flesh" and "blood" mean human? Would 24 chromosomes be human?

"as you've acknowledged)" You act like APL is promoting this.


I couldn't find any mention about chromosomes on Echidna nor on the swamp wallaby. "courtesy of Wikipedia". Really?

But Wyatt the fraud seems to think it worthy of debating.

Wait. Wait. You said yourself "as you've acknowledged)" there are no chromosomes in red blood cells. So do you acknowledge Wyatt is a fraud? Did you miss the point of the thread?

kland,

I'm not addressing Wyatt. I'm addressing his claims and the possible merit or non-merit of them. I have no special respect for the man, and am not defending him. But the man himself is not what I was addressing, but rather the "facts" of the case.

As for wikipedia, you may need to search from yahoo.com instead of from Google next time (at least that's how I arrived at the page). You may find it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organisms_by_chromosome_count


You stopped short of reading the rest of what I said that should have clarified things a bit. Instead of making this thread be about me, perhaps you could focus on the issues.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Yes! You defend the idea of Wyatt that Christ's blood could be haploid. The list in wikipedia list no mammal with haploid chromosome count. Even Down's Syndrome is duploid with some variation in the duplication of chromosome 21. This is called anaploidy, the wrong number, and how did that work out? Not good. Something to think about, the human brain contains anywhere from 30-60% anaploidy, but I digress.Except for all the scripture which talks about the genetics which you choose to ignore, and Wyatt just creates stories about. Again, you ignore that truth that Christ came to condemn, "sin in the flesh", Romans 8:3. And you ignore what Paul talks about in his flesh. Can ANY human have no chromosomes? No. What Christ made like His brothers? YES! Hebrews 2:17!! And note if he was not, then He could not be hour highpriest. Hebrews 2:17 Why in all things it behooved him to be made like to his brothers, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Yes, I know your believe that a Baby is not a real person until it is born and breaths ignoring the fact that even a baby's cells engage in respiration obtaining oxygen from the mother. This also gives you justification for abortion. Wyatt was wrong about the chromosome count. Apparently others are also.

Again, scripture speaks of Christ being made of a woman, under the law. But lets say that Mary was just a surrogate, and none of her DNA was in the zygote that became Christ, His entire genome would have become infected with mobile genetic elements by the time of His birth. But you are a biologist green, you know this, right?You ignore the SOP writing such as "The human nature of Christ was like unto ours. "

The "divine" part is the key? Hmmm.. The Catholic doctrine of the human nature of Christ is simply that that nature is not human nature at all, but divine. It is that in His human nature Christ was so far separated from mankind as to be utterly unlike mankind. No. the human nature of Christ combined with the divine is key. It was our flesh He took. Wyatt fabricated a story he though credible. It was incredible.