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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #179463
02/18/16 01:12 PM
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My comment : Because Banks wants to implement negative interest rates by which would cost anyone money to keep money in the Banks. For example someone with $200,000 in the bank would pay $2000 fee yearly if 1% negative interest rate is implemented. So to avoid these fees, logically people will want to withdraw their money from the Banks. Thus to also Ban cash with implementing negative interest rates would resolve the problem of the possibility in withdrawing cash. This is the logistic behind this. In Europe they are talking to ban the $500 euro bills and in the US the $100 USD bills. These are the two most used currency bills in circulation : $500Euro (30%) and the $100USD (78%). see (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-16...e-kill-100-bill and http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-15/war-paper-currency-begins-ecb-votes-scrap-500-euro-bill )


The Ban On Cash Is Coming, Soon
https://www.sovereignman.com/trends/the-ban-on-cash-is-coming-soon-18687

Feb 17, 2016

by Simon Black

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This is starting to become very concerning.

The momentum to “ban cash”, and in particular high denomination notes like the 500 euro and $100 bills, is seriously picking up steam.

On Monday the European Central Bank President emphatically disclosed that he is strongly considering phasing out the 500 euro note.

Yesterday, former US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers published an op-ed in the Washington Post about getting rid of the $100 bill.

Prominent economists and banks have joined the refrain and called for an end to cash in recent months.

The reasoning is almost always the same: cash is something that only criminals, terrorists, and tax cheats use.

In his op-ed, Summers refers to a new Harvard research paper entitled: “Making it Harder for the Bad Guys: The Case for Eliminating High Denomination Notes”.

That title pretty much sums up the conventional thinking. And the paper goes on to propose abolishing, among others, 500 euro and $100 bills.

The authors claim that “without being able to use high denomination notes, those engaged in illicit activities – the ‘bad guys’ of our title – would face higher costs and greater risks of detection. Eliminating high denomination notes would disrupt their ‘business models’.”

Personally I find this comical.

I can just imagine a bunch of bureaucrats and policy wonks sitting in a room pretending to know anything about criminal activity.

It’s total nonsense. As long as there has been human civilization there has been crime. Crime pre-dates cash. And it will exist long after they attempt to ban it.

Perhaps even more hilarious is that many of these bankrupt governments have become so desperate for economic growth that they now count illegal drug activity and prostitution in their GDP calculations, both of which are typically transacted in cash.

So, ironically, by banning cash these governments will end up reducing their own GDP figures.

What’s really behind this? Why is there such a big movement to ban something that is used for felonious purposes by just a fraction of a percent of the population?

Cash, it turns out, is the Achilles’ Heel of the financial system.

Central banks around the world have kept interest rates at near-zero levels for nearly eight years now.

And despite having created massive bubbles and enabled extraordinary amounts of debt, their policies aren’t working.

Especially in Europe, the hope of stoking economic growth (and even the sickening goal of inflation) has failed.

So naturally, since what they’ve been trying hasn’t worked, their response is to continue trying the same thing… and more of it.

Interest rates across the European continent are now negative.

Japanese interest rates are now negative.

And even in the United States, the Federal Reserve has acknowledged that negative interest rates are being considered.

They have no other choice; raising rates will bankrupt the governments they support and derail any fledgling economic growth.

Look at how low interest rates are in the US– and yet 4th quarter GDP practically ground to a halt. They simply cannot afford to raise rates.

As global economic weakness continues to play out, central banks will have no other option but to take interest rates even further into negative territory.

That said, negative interest rates will be the destruction of the financial system.

Because sooner or later, if banks have to pay negative wholesale interest rates to each other and to the central bank, then eventually they’ll have to pass those negative rates on to their customers.

Many banks have already started doing this, especially on larger depositors.

We’ve seen this in Europe where some banks charge their customers negative interest to save money, and in some extraordinary circumstances, pay other customers to borrow money.

It’s total madness.

There’s a certain point, however, when interest rates become so negative that no rational person would hold money in the banking system.

Eventually people will realize that they’re better off withdrawing their money and holding physical cash.

Sure, cash doesn’t pay any interest. But it doesn’t cost any either.

If you have a $200,000 in your savings account at negative 1%, you’d have to pay the bank $2,000 each year.

Clearly it would make more sense to buy a safe and hold most of that money in cash.

Problem is, the banks don’t have the money.

For starters, there’s literally not enough cash in the entire financial system to pay out more than a fraction of all bank deposits.

More importantly, banks (especially in the US and Europe) are extremely illiquid.

They invest the vast majority of your deposit in illiquid loans or securities of dubious long-term value, whatever the latest stupid investment fad happens to be.

And many banks have been engaging in a substantial balance sheet shift, rotating bonds from what’s called “Available for Sale” to “Hold to Maturity”.

This is an accounting trick used to hide losses in their bond portfolios. But it also means they have less liquidity available to support bank customer withdrawal requests.

The natural side effect of negative interest rates is pushing people to hold money outside of the banking system.

Yet it’s clear that a surge of withdrawal requests would bring down that system.

Banks don’t want that to happen. Governments don’t want that to happen.

But since central banks have no other choice than to continue imposing negative interest rates, the only logical option is to ban cash and force consumers to hold their money within the banking system.

Make no mistake, this is absolutely a form of capital controls. And it’s coming soon to a banking system near you.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #179467
02/19/16 03:48 AM
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The aim is to impoverish the people and make them dependent upon the state.

As long as the population has a large middle class of industrious, self supporting, independent people the government does not control them.

The USA WAS a country governed by the people for the people, with a government of checks and balances to keep it as a servant not a tyrant.

By draining the money away from the people, under whatever program (and from the posts in this thread there are many such programs) thus making the people dependent upon the government for handouts and the very essentials of life, this elevates the government into absolute control.

No, the USA is not going to go "belly up", but the people will loose their independence, they will loose their means, and the USA will cause everyone rich and poor to come begging to them for provisions.

Then the government can give provisions to them that line up to whatever is demanded of them, and deny provisions to them that cling to their own ideas of right and wrong.


Yes, there is a global restructure going on -- but it is NOT GOOD, and will lead to nothing good, only ruin and final destruction for this world.



The USA will cause all, small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark (some identifying characteristic that will qualify them to receive government benefits, however that something will be worship to the system instead of worship as outlined in God's commandments)
And that no man might buy or sell, (without that benefit check from the government, which they receive only if they have) "the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. See revelation 13:16-17


But God will deliver His people --



Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #179515
02/25/16 05:00 PM
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As Tim Roosenberg said, "God's people get caught in the middle." He further states that they are the only ones who will be delivered at the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Daryl] #179517
02/25/16 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
As Tim Roosenberg said, "God's people get caught in the middle." He further states that they are the only ones who will be delivered at the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ.

What did he meant with delivered? The only survivors? And based on what prophecy?

My understanding is based on the fact that the Lord has linked the fall of Mystery Babylon with the Kings of the East and the Euphrates River.

Rev 16:12 "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.".

This shows us that the fall of Old Babylon is the prophetic Type where the Persian King and the Median King diverted the Euphrates River so they could go into the city by the dried river to conquer Babylon.

Today, we see the same plot but with different players. The Kings of the East are China and Russia. The current economic collapse is the drying up the CURREN-cy of the life source river of Babylon.

When Old Babylon fell, the people were not destroyed. Only the Babylonian System and Empire got replace by the Medes and the Persian system.

After the destruction of Babylon, King Cyrus funded the rebuilding of many nations cities and temples including Jerusalem and their Temple. Thus I expect the same events to re-occur. But not the rebuilding of the City of Old Jerusalem, but the rebuilding of the "City" of the New Jerusalem (=the Kingdom of God) and their temple(=the believers are now the temple so probably fund believers projects "to bless all the families of the world").


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #179592
03/01/16 02:45 PM
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My comment: Looks like Canada is going forward by testing the proposed project submitted by the Green Party to eliminate poverty that is calculated to save the government Billions of dollars yearly.

A Basic Income For Ontario? Province Plans Pilot Project As Part Of Budget


02/26/2016

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/02/26/ontario-basic-income_n_9328264.html

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The government of Ontario is planning to launch a pilot project to test out a guaranteed basic income.

What that pilot project will look like, and what it will cost, is not yet known. In its budget documents, unveiled Thursday, the Liberal government of Premier Kathleen Wynne said it would “work with communities, researchers and other stakeholders in 2016 to determine how best to design and implement a Basic Income pilot.”

Finance Minister Charles Sousa said the province will decide whether to make a basic income permanent on the basis of that pilot project, the Globe and Mail reported.

The idea of replacing numerous government benefits with a single cheque sent to all households, regardless of income, has been gaining steam in recent years.

Finland plans to outline a basic income plan for its citizens later this year, while the Dutch city of Utrecht launched an experiment in January, involving welfare recipients, to see what effect a basic income would have.

The Swiss will vote in a referendum in June to decide whether to implement a basic income of some C$3,200 per month — much more generous than most basic income proposals and experiments.

In Ontario, some municipalities have been calling on the provincial government to consider implementing a basic income. Kingston's city council last December became the first legislative body in Canada to endorse the idea.

Check out HuffPost Canada’s primer on the guaranteed income idea.

Supporters of the basic income idea say it could all but eliminate poverty. They argue it would streamline government bureaucracies, as a basic income would replace many other benefits, potentially including welfare, unemployment insurance, Old Age Security and others.

The town of Dauphin, Manitoba, ran an experiment on what was then called a “minimum income,” or “mincome,” back in the 1970s. The experiment’s results were shelved, likely for political reasons, but a researcher uncovered the data in recent years and found the program largely eliminated poverty.

Critics of the basic income often raise concerns that it would create a disincentive to work. The Dauphin experiment showed that there was a small decline in the workforce, but it was mostly due to people being able to afford to go back to school for further education.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #179601
03/02/16 10:36 AM
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"Today, we see the same plot but with different players. The Kings of the East are China and Russia. The current economic collapse is the drying up the CURREN-cy of the life source river of Babylon. "



Where in the Bible is there support for the statement that "CURREN-cy (is) the life source river of Babylon"?


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Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #179620
03/04/16 01:21 AM
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While I find Elle's news reports very interesting --
don't expect her conclusions to agree with Adventist beliefs.

By now everyone should realize her end time ideas are very different from Adventist Prophetic interpretations.

If I remember correctly she equates Babylon with the United States,

We equate Babylon with the harlot of Revelation 17 -- the fornicating bride of Christ who has chosen the kings of the earth as her lovers rather than Christ -- namely apostate Christianity, both daughters and mother Roman Papacy.

Now I do find Elle's news reports interesting, she does a lot of research! Those news reports fit into our prophetic beliefs nicely.

Last day events do include a strict control of "buying and selling" (see Rev. 13)
It's not drying up the "currency of Babylon" but drying up the currency of the people -- "both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond", -- without currency they will have to bow to the demands made upon them and receive the "mark of the beast" in order to obtain the necessities of life.

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: ProdigalOne] #179622
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne


"Today, we see the same plot but with different players. The Kings of the East are China and Russia. The current economic collapse is the drying up the CURREN-cy of the life source river of Babylon. "



Where in the Bible is there support for the statement that "CURREN-cy (is) the life source river of Babylon"?



Rev 16:12 relates how Mystery Babylon will fall with the same event that Old Babylon fell -- the drying up of the Euphrates river that gives way to the Kings of the East.

Types in the bible are expressed in a physical or carnal form. Like the laws that Paul explains several time is expressed as such, but the Anti-type (or fulfillment of the Type) is manifested in a Spiritual form. This pattern we see repeated over and over again.

Some examples:

1.Type : Abraham had two sons : 1st was carnal-from the flesh, 2nd was spiritual - of the promise.
Antitype : the Lord had two sons : 1st = Israel was carnal-from the flesh(Ex 4:22), 2nd ="spiritual" Israel is spiritual -- begotten from above.

2.type : circumcision -- of the flesh(physical)
antitype : circumcision -- of the heart(spiritual)

3.type : Priesthood of Levi -- Father from a specific physical blood line(Levi) that ultimately points to the 1st Adam.
antitype : Priesthood of Melchisedek -- Father from Heaven (spiritual) that points to the 2nd Adam.

4. type : 1st birth -- of the flesh(Physical)
antitype : 2nd birth -- of the spirit

5. type : Levirate law -- the brother had to give an heir to wife of deceased eldest brother who was childless -- done physically
antitype : Jesus died childless without any heir, and we, his brother, are to beget children via the gospel -- done spiritually

And so on and so forth.

So to apply this to the fall of Babylon

type: the euphrates river which was the life stream of Old Babylon. It was diverted and dried up so the Kings of the East was able to enter the highly walled and guarded city via the river, to conquer it.
Antitype : the life steam of Mystery Babylon is its ability to issue their own currency and charge interest(usury which is against the Lord's laws). Currency comes from the root word current like the current of a river. So the Kings of the East has diverted the river(by means of an alternative banking system and reform of currency to have gold backing and etc...) and Lord is drying up the life stream(current-cy) of Mystery Babylon to give way for the Kings of the East to conquer it.

Of course this is only a prophetic interpretation that anyone can dispute. However, we are living in the time of the fall of Mystery Babylon and can watch the current events as it unfolds. To me it does point towards such type of interpretation. Time will tell what the Lord has planned and how He is fulfilling His word.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: dedication] #179623
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Originally Posted By: dedication
While I find Elle's news reports very interesting --
don't expect her conclusions to agree with Adventist beliefs.

By now everyone should realize her end time ideas are very different from Adventist Prophetic interpretations.

If I remember correctly she equates Babylon with the United States,

I'm happy that you bring on your point of view dedication(& others) in this discussion. I think it's healthy and the Lord always let the two sides co-exist and be in front of the People to choose.

So I'm for that and welcome it.

To answer your question that I emphacized in your quote, no I do not believe the United States is Mystery Babylon. The USA government has been usurped slowly by a Foreign entity for over 100 years.(see http://annavonreitz.com/ or the last post of Page 51) So the US is only a puppet in the hands of Mystery Babylon using as a Military front to bully and destroy other nations government and economic system so they can implement their own banking system and put in charge a puppet leader of their choice and change their laws at will and over-ride their constitutional laws with their merchants laws(aka Admiralty laws or laws of the sea). This is what they first did with the USA, and have done with Canada, all European countries, Australia, Ireland, and etc....).

I know this thread is long and I didn't expect that you know or go dig out my position from all these pages. ProdigalOne and I had a good exchange about this by which allowed me to express what my understanding is who I think is Mystery Babylon. The exchange can be read from Page 43 starting on the 2nd post #177159. This exchange extends up to page 44.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #179626
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My comments: As expected, with the continuous news of the economic system crashing taking stride since January; people are flocking to buy physical gold & silver, and those that bought paper gold wants their investment in physical. Well there's no gold for the demand.

I saw an article back in end Jan/early Feb reporting people in England lined up to buy gold.

"It appears the huge demand for physical gold (and lack of supply) is finally catching up with the manipulation of paper prices.

If this is anything other than a brief technical suspension, it could well unleash panic-buying as we already pointed out - there is no physical gold!

...
...it would appear that some gold is still available... one just has to pay up for it."



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-04/blackrock-suspends-gold-etf-issuance-due-demand-gold

March 4th, 2016
Gold ETF Market Breaks: BlackRock Suspends ETF Issuance Due To "Surging Demand For Gold"


Quote:
BlackRock's Gold ETF (IAU) has seen fund inflows every day in 2016 (no outflows at all) and with the stock trading above its NAV for most of the year, the world's largest asset manager has made a significant decision:

*BLACKROCK SAYS ISSUANCE OF GOLD TRUST SHARES SUSPENDED
*BLACKROCK SAYS SUSPENSION DUE TO DEMAND FOR GOLD


BlackRock Statement:

Quote:
Issuance of New IAU (Gold Trust) Shares Temporarily Suspended; Existing Shares to Trade Normally for Retail and Institutional Investors on NYSE Arca and Other Venues

Suspension results from surging demand for gold, which requires registration of new shares

iShares Delaware Trust Sponsor LLC, in its capacity as the sponsor of iShares Gold Trust (IAU), has temporarily suspended the creation of new shares of IAU until additional shares are registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).

This suspension does not affect the ability of retail and institutional investors to trade on stock exchanges. Retail and institutional investors will continue to be able to buy and sell shares in IAU.

IAU holds gold as a physical asset. IAU is an exchange-traded commodity (ETC), which therefore is not eligible for registration as an investment company under the ’40 Act. IAU may only be registered under the ’33 Act as a grantor trust. Under the ’33 Act, subscriptions for new shares in excess of those registered requires additional filings with the SEC.

Nearly all other U.S. iShares are exchange-traded funds (ETFs), registered as investment companies under the ’40 Act. The ’40 Act provides for the continuous offering of shares and does not require registration of additional shares as the fund grows due to investor demand in connection to new subscriptions.

Since the start of 2016, in response to global macroeconomic conditions, demand for gold and for IAU has surged among global investors. IAU has $8 billion in assets under management, and has expanded $1.4 billion year to date. February marked its largest creation activity in the last decade.

This surge in demand has led to the temporary exhaustion of IAU shares currently registered under the ’33 Act. We are registering new shares to accommodate future creations in the primary market by filing a Form 8-K to announce the resumption of the offering of new shares. The ability of authorized participants to redeem shares of IAU is not affected.

It appears the huge demand for physical gold (and lack of supply) is finally catching up with the manipulation of paper prices.

If this is anything other than a brief technical suspension, it could well unleash panic-buying as we already pointed out - there is no physical gold!


As we previously concluded, the reality that there are just two tons of gold to satisfy delivery requsts based on accepted protocols should in itself be troubling, ignoring the latent question why so many owners of physical gold are de-warranting their holdings.

Considering there are now less than 74,000 ounces of Registered gold at the Comex, or just over 2 tonnes, we may be about to find out how right, or wrong, the skeptics are, because at this rate the combined Registered vault gold could be depleted as soon as the next delivery request is satisfied. Or isn't.

Meanwhile, this is how gold is taking the news - it would appear that some gold is still available... one just has to pay up for it.


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