My comment: This is not the first admission I have seen. We don't know how long this crashing phase is going to be. I'm starting to wonder if its going to be longer than what I expected. I really don't know how things will pan out. So I rather be safe than sorry. I keep in the bank only what is necessary to pay bills.

"there simply is not enough physical cash in the entire financial system to support even a tiny fraction of the demand."

German Banks Told To Start Hoarding Cash

03/04/2016

That's an interesting theory; however, if we allow the Bible to define its own terms, it is clear that water represents people, not currency.

"And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." Revelation 17:15

I am glad to see that you at least took Rev 16:12 symbolically and you are not expecting a LITERAL and PHYSICAL fulfillment. That’s good and I think it is a correct Biblical approach to see TYPES being fulfilled Spiritually and not literally or physically.


The term used in Rev 16:12 is not water, it is the Euphrates river. And not just any section of that river for it is quite long and flowed thru many areas; but specifically to a section tied to an event in history when King Cyrus and King Darius dried it up to conquer Old Babylon.

The 6th seal prepares the way for the events of the seventh seal which is the fall of Babylon; thus the 6th seal and the 7th are closely linked. Since the 6th seal makes reference to the manner King Cyrus and King Darius conquered Old Babylon by drying up the Euphrates river; thus by this alone, the Lord establishes which TYPE we are to look back at to understand the current fall of Mystery Babylon.

When we look at history, this "drying up" of the Euphrates river was the last act that led to the fall of Babylon. This drying up of the river by King Cyrus, was Prophesied in Isaiah 44 around 200 years prior.

Quoting Isaiah 44:24 to 45:1 from the NASB translation :

NASB 24 Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer . . . 25 causing the omens of boasters to fail, making fools out of diviners, causing wise men to draw back, and turning their knowledge into foolishness, 26 confirming the word of His Servant, and performing the purpose of His messengers, “It is I who says of Jerusalem, ‘She shall be inhabited!’ and of the cities of Judah, ‘They shall be built.’ And I will raise up her ruins again, 27 It is I who says to the depth of the sea, ‘Be dried up!’ And I will make your rivers dry. 28 It is I who says of Cyrus, ‘He is My shepherd! And he will perform all My desire.’ And he declares of Jerusalem, ‘She will be built,’ and of the temple, ‘Your foundation will be laid.’
1 Thus says the Lord to Cyrus His anointed [Messiach] , whom I have taken by the right hand to subdue nations before him. . .

Some notes :

v.25 -- “causing the omens of boasters to fail” : Despite the drying up of the Euphrates river was done by King Cyrus and King Darius that led to such a quick conquest of Babylon; notice how the Lord takes credit for it. He’s the one that coordinated the timing of the event, inspired the idea, and made it possible to dry it up that Great River by a pre-dugged basin. All of this led to the overthrow of Babylon and put an end to the plans of the boasters[Babylon]. So I think the Lord can rightfully make this claim. It was not really King Cyrus & Darius the credit is due, despite they will take the credit for it. For sure they were his agents, but it is the Lord that had drawn up the plan before hand and made the conquest possible for Cyrus and Darius.

V.27 -- “And I will make your rivers dry” : The first book of Herodotus histories tells the details of the account of Cyrus the Great in his conquest of old Babylon. One year prior , on his way to Babylon, Cyrus & his army had to first cross the river of Gyndes. That river was so great that Cyrus beautiful white sacred horse was swept away. So paragraph 189 says “And Cyrus was greatly moved with anger against the river for having done thus insolently, and he threatened to make it so feeble that for the future even women could cross it easily without wetting the knee. So after this threat he ceased from his march against Babylon and divided his army into two parts; and having divided it he stretched lines and marked out straight channels, one hundred and eighty on each bank of the Gyndes, directed every way, and having disposed his army along them he commanded them to dig: so, as a great multitude was working, the work was completed indeed, but they spent the whole summer season at this spot working.”

This “drying up” the Gyndes river delayed Cyrus arrival to Babylon. This delay was part of the Lord’s plan so that Cyrus would arrive at the perfect timing when there was a great party in the city. Also, this digging up the Gyndes river gave his army experience and the tools to “dry up” the next river.

The pre-dugged up basin by Queen Nitocris,the mother of Belshazzar, accounted in par.185 was also an important pre-event that made the drying up of the Euphrates river possible. I assume Euphrates was much greater in size than the Gyndes river. That huge basin was dugged for the building of a bridge across the Euphrates to connect the two half of Babylon. This great basin which was as big as a "sea" measuring 15 miles in diameter was temporary and used to divert the river so they could lay the foundation stones for the construction of the bridge. It was that basin Cyrus used to dry up the Euphrates river as accounted in par. 191.

v.26,28,45:1 -- Cyrus is called “His Servant”, “My shepherd”, “His Messiah”: Despite Cyrus was an unbeliever, the Lord called him all these names for the following reason :

“His Servant” – for the Lord was able to get Cyrus to performed the Lord’s will --“he will perform all My desire”,

“My shepherd” – for Cyrus cared of the Lord’s people by rebuilding the city of Jerusalem and the temple,

“His Messiah” -- because Cyrus delivered the Lord’s people and other nations from the oppression of Babylon.

The Lord did all this thru Cyrus without him knowing what he was doing or knowing the prophecies about him,
And the same is happening with the overthrow of Mystery Babylon. The Kings of the East (China & Russia) have no idea they are doing the Lord’s bidding. Despite they don’t know, nor know these prophecies; the Lord is still able to fulfill His word. Anyway, the fulfillment of His word never depended on the ability of the flesh, but only on His ability. The flesh has always only proved that it can only fail. But the Lord never fails and He will fulfill all His plans on His timing and in His ways as He always did in the past.

Interesting accounts of the history of Cyrus.
And yes, we do agree that it is a "type" and relates to the text in Rev. 16:12. Thus far there is agreement.

However, I don't see the connection of the type to "money" or to Russia and China.

Cyrus is a type of Christ (as our Deliverer)
"Cyrus, ‘He is My shepherd"
"Cyrus His anointed" [Messiah]

God's people were in captivity in Babylon.
Cyrus's "heavenly mission" was to set God's people free so they would go to the promised land.

The drying up of the Euphrates was to prepare the way for Cyrus and Darius to conquer Babylon, and free God's people.

Thus Christ will dry up the "Euphrates", not to prepare the way for China and Russia, but to prepare the way as HE, Christ, puts down Babylon and frees His people taking them to the heavenly promised land.

Matt. 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shines even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Are rivers a type of and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." Revelation 17:15

There are references of rivers being "nations" -- especially when they "flow over their banks" and start conquering other nations.

Example is Isaiah 8:7 Now therefore, behold, the Lord bringeth up upon them the waters of the river, strong and many, even the king of Assyria, and all his glory: and he shall come up over all his channels, and go over all his banks:

So in type during the last plagues, when the armies of Babylon (waters of her river, strong and many) will be subjecting the world into the false worship system, and overflowing all it's channels and coming up over all it's banks.
Flooding till it comes up to the neck (Is. 8:8)

Christ will step in and dry up that Babylonian river Euphrates, just as he dried up the Assyrian "river" of armies as they besieged Jerusalem back in Hezekiah's day.

Elle said,

"I am glad to see that you at least took Rev 16:12 symbolically and you are not expecting a LITERAL and PHYSICAL fulfillment. That’s good and I think it is a correct Biblical approach to see TYPES being fulfilled Spiritually and not literally or physically."



If the Medes and the Persians were the Physical types and the "Kings of the East" are the spiritual fulfillment/anti types, how is it that the "Kings of the East" of Revelation can be the "LITERAL and PHYSICAL" nations of China and Russia?

Would it not conform to your own logic better if the "Kings of the East" were interpreted "Spiritually" as the Father and Son?


"For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall."
Malachi 4:1-2

Note, the Sun rises in the East.

My comment: Below is a link to a Peter Schiff book promotion. Not that I'm promoting buying his book, but it is the blur and the brief interview that I wanted to bring forth.

"China has decided to take the hit for owning US Treasuries now and is getting rid of them, while they still have some value. When the fiat dollar collapses, they will not be left with a lot of useless Treasuries that they will have to sell, because it will only drag their own currency down. When the dollar collapses, and the revaluation is done, the Chinese yuan will be far stronger without any dollars clinging to it. Wall Street, of course, isn’t speaking about this." by Jaines Haines

I think Peter has a good sense of what is going on. To my view, it may be a little sensationalize to bring fear; but for sure there is an economic collapse heading our way as all signs points to it. But I believe that China has no intention on the long run to destroy the US economy nor anyone else. They are for promoting fair trade and China needs the existence of other countries to trade with. What China wants is reform and giving a voice to all countries in the political and economic decisions which I think is reasonable aim and request.

So Peter Schiff's warning is that China is selling all their US treasury bonds(=US debt). It is true that China have been selling increasingly the US bonds and we have seen an article about this last fall. And maybe they have solde recently all their US bonds. I have seen reported that they plan this Spiring to "depeg" the Chinese Yuan to the US dollar. These actions makes all economic sense for their sake with also the hoarding of Gold this past 10 years so to back their currencies with. And I do believe the current fiat money system will crash.

But what I want us to keep also in mind is what Willem Midelkoop pointed out in post#179400 that China are smart business minded people. They are extremely patient -- planning far ahead with small settle moves. China also have as personal interest to keep all the countries viable so to have people to trade with. Thus I believe China, while the crashing of the old fiat money system moves forward -- I believe there's also a transition plan for everyone to the new system so to keep the US and other countries viable trading partners. For sure some countries currencies will take a major beating, certainly if they have no gold to back it up. China was straight forward with everyone since 2010 and I would imaging sooner, that the reform included to have the issued currencies needed to be backed by gold. So many countries, mostly the western countries, will suffer major devaluation of their currencies. However, with an honest just proper system in place any country can rise up again.

So Peter Schiff does talk about the China's transition plan like Willem Midelkoop does; however what Peter shares about the seriousness of China selling US Bonds is very true.

China's Big Treasury Dump Should Scare Americans


http://realcrash2016.com/china-treasury-...medium=referral

BUSINESS WIRES By Wall Street Daily
Monday March 7, 2016

So are you saying "currency" is "spiritual"?

It's a Spiritual application and interpretation. You may disagree with it and be led with another like dedication and ProdigalSon has done. That's ok. We all need to exercise to hear the Lord's small voice and understanding what He is doing with the current events and why(which laws is He applying? and etc...). There's no harm in trying to know the Lord and His ways. This is what makes us grow spiritually. I won't be casting stones at dedication or Prodigalson if there interpretation is wrong and I hope they won't for me either. We all are false prophets for our understanding is not complete and limited. The stones to be cast is at ourselves and put to death that false prophet in our mind that often speaks presumptuously.

But I arrived to agree with this interpretation because to my discernment current world affairs points to such interpretation. This is one purpose of this discussion and collecting major events. So we can all watch and learn together from the events that is surfacing.

The fulfillment of this prophesy by the Lord Sovereignty behind the events will determine its interpretation.

Physical TYPE :
The Euphrates river came in / out of Old Babylon. It was via the drying of the river that made way for the Kings of the East to conquer Old Babylon.

Spiritual Antitype :
The fiat money(currencies) is what comes in / out of Mystery Babylon today. Fiat money is the life stream of Mystery Babylon. Amchel Rothschild said "Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws,"

Today we are seeing there is a currency war by which will probably soon be ending since the IMF and the central banks has finally comply (not willingly) in Jan 2016 to implement the gold backed reformed pushed by China and other nations since 2010. This means : No more printing money to infinity & beyond and a coming re-evaluation of countries currency value. This and the current market collapse and oil glut fiasco and etc... all are contributing to a currency(Petro-dollar fiat money) "drying up" phenomena.

It may not be by coincidence that the word currency derives from the word current.

Currency : 1650s, "condition of flowing," from Latin currens, present participle of currere "to run" (see current (adj.)); the sense of a flow or course extended 1699 (by John Locke) to "circulation of money."

Elle, perhaps you missed this question in my previous post? I wonder if you could expand on how the fulfillment of type (physical/literal) can also be (physical/literal) when your interpretive method states they must be "fulfilled Spiritually and not literally or physically."



Elle said,

"I am glad to see that you at least took Rev 16:12 symbolically and you are not expecting a LITERAL and PHYSICAL fulfillment. That’s good and I think it is a correct Biblical approach to see TYPES being fulfilled Spiritually and not literally or physically."



If the Medes and the Persians were the Physical types and the "Kings of the East" are the spiritual fulfillment/anti types, how is it that the "Kings of the East" of Revelation can be the "LITERAL and PHYSICAL" nations of China and Russia?

Sorry for missing your post. That's a very good question and point. I'm glad you brought it up.

I had never reflected on this much but I do understand what you mean as I have noticed what you have said in some instances. Give me some time to think about it and put together some good examples of different cases.

Basically what I’m seeing is that it all depends. I know its not a type of answer that we want to hear. Some spiritual NT equivalence of the OT laws or prophecies are totally spiritual, while others have some sort of physical manifestation. Then not all the words in a statement have a NT spiritual equivalence.

It is by looking at other scriptures that defines what is the NT equivalence of a certain term or symbol. Then there are some rare cases you cannot find any other scripture references. In all, it is the Holy Spirit that gives anyone the interpretation. While pondering, there’s room for speculating its meaning as long as we treat it as speculation and not as truth and open for the guidance of the Holy Spirit to be corrected during that time until it is confirmed by 2 witnesses. And if you read from someone an interpretation, then you need to chew on it, do your own verification and studying of the word while presenting it to the Holy Spirit to confirm it. If it is not confirmed; we need to reject it. No one is at liberty to define any interpretation.

This is how we learn to develop an ear to hear the voice of the Lord and become familiar with His laws and test doctrines and interpretation with it. This is the whole purpose of all of this by which is a lifetime exercise that is our Christian Duty to engage as James and Ellen has counseled us.

A list of examples would help a lot and might give us some indication if there’s some pattern to identify or not any at all.

Give me a week or so to come back to you.