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Re: Why Does the Human Nature of Christ Matter?
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/// " Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost. (Luke 19:10)" = " Because we are Christ's house, he came to claim what was rightfully his. (Heb. 3:1-6)" Of this the prophets of old spoke, e.g. Micah (4:8 and 5:2) Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. That GRACE spoken of by Peter refers to our redemption and renewed hope (i.e. SALVATION) freely given to us by reason of Christ's INCARNATION. The "human nature of Christ matters" therefore because he is the second Adam, the one who overcame, the one through whom we may enter into eternal life. That's the Biblical reason. There is simply no need to add to the word of God, or to invent motifs and scenarios or meditate on wild speculations concerning that which has been revealed in the Holy Bible. ///
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Re: Why Does the Human Nature of Christ Matter?
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You may believe that what you see is all there is to see, but others have seen evidence that the plan of salvation encompasses more than man's redemption, possibly even involving angels.
For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. - I Corinthians 4:9
To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into. - I Peter 1:12
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1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Why Does the Human Nature of Christ Matter?
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There is simply no need to add to the word of God, or to invent motifs and scenarios or meditate on wild speculations concerning that which has been revealed in the Holy Bible. Just because you don't know something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There is a possibility, remote though it may be, that there is something in the Bible that you don't fully understand.
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Why Does the Human Nature of Christ Matter?
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You may believe that what you see is all there is to see, but others have seen evidence that the plan of salvation encompasses more than man's redemption, possibly even involving angels.
For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. - I Corinthians 4:9 The entire human race (good and bad) has always been a spectacle to the world. As Nebuchadnezzar saw, "The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men." (Dan. 4:17) The holy watchers are the angels of God. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into. - I Peter 1:12 The angels of God love us as much as God does. Are they not His ministering spirits sent for our sake? But you have not provided any Biblical evidence for your speculations: "questions that the angels have, or for the salvation of angels". ///
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Re: Why Does the Human Nature of Christ Matter?
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There is simply no need to add to the word of God, or to invent motifs and scenarios or meditate on wild speculations concerning that which has been revealed in the Holy Bible. Just because you don't know something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There is a possibility, remote though it may be, that there is something in the Bible that you don't fully understand. "The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law." (Deut. 29:29) Wasn't it Eve who went after the way of the serpent and enticed Adam with the promise of knowing more than was revealed to them, all from dubious sources? ///
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Re: Why Does the Human Nature of Christ Matter?
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You may believe that what you see is all there is to see, but others have seen evidence that the plan of salvation encompasses more than man's redemption, possibly even involving angels.
For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. - I Corinthians 4:9
To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into. - I Peter 1:12 A spectacle not only to the world and to men, but also to angels. Why would angels desire to look into the things of the gospel? If they have never had any questions? It's because the great controversy is a cosmic conflict, that involves far more than us. That war began in heaven where sin first appeared in the heart of the covering cherub (angel) called Lucifer, who spread his doubts about God among the angels, bringing confusion and actually convincing 1/3 of them to follow him, and rebel against God. Rev. 12: 7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him
Isaiah 14:12-14 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north;I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’
Ezekiel 28:12-17 “You were the signet of perfection,full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle; and crafted in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared. You were an anointed covering cherub. I placed you;you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you. In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God,
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
2 peter 2:4 God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Obviously angels had to make a choice. Do you think they had questions?
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Re: Why Does the Human Nature of Christ Matter?
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02/21/16 11:32 AM
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You may believe that what you see is all there is to see, but others have seen evidence that the plan of salvation encompasses more than man's redemption, possibly even involving angels.
For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. - I Corinthians 4:9 The entire human race (good and bad) has always been a spectacle to the world. As Nebuchadnezzar saw, "The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men." (Dan. 4:17) The holy watchers are the angels of God. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into. - I Peter 1:12 The angels of God love us as much as God does. Are they not His ministering spirits sent for our sake? But you have not provided any Biblical evidence for your speculations: "questions that the angels have, or for the salvation of angels". /// 1 Peter 1:12 was quoted. And this verse clearly mentions what "angels desire to look into". So, the Bible doesn't give the exact questions the angels have, but, it does tell us something about the issues the angels wish to look into.
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Re: Why Does the Human Nature of Christ Matter?
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A spectacle not only to the world and to men, but also to angels. Why would angels desire to look into the things of the gospel? 1 Pet. 1:9-12 says: "Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into." Therefore, according to Peter, the angels desire to look into THINGS, i.e.: 1. The sufferings of Christ, and 2. The glory that should follow; in other words, our repentance unto salvation. The angels of God love us as much as God does. Jesus himself said so. " Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth." (Luke 15:10) The Biblical reason for the human nature of Christ is the gift of eternal life to anyone who would believe. (John 3:16) Therefore then, there is simply no need to add to the word of God, or to invent motifs and scenarios or meditate on wild speculations concerning that which has been revealed in the Holy Bible. ///
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Re: Why Does the Human Nature of Christ Matter?
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02/21/16 01:35 PM
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1 Peter 1:12 was quoted. And this verse clearly mentions what "angels desire to look into". So, the Bible doesn't give the exact questions the angels have, but, it does tell us something about the issues the angels wish to look into. The angels of God love us as much as God does. See Luke 15:10, " Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth." There is simply no need to add to the word of God, or to invent motifs and scenarios or meditate on wild speculations concerning that which has been revealed in the Holy Bible." ///
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Re: Why Does the Human Nature of Christ Matter?
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1 Peter 1:12 was quoted. And this verse clearly mentions what "angels desire to look into". So, the Bible doesn't give the exact questions the angels have, but, it does tell us something about the issues the angels wish to look into. The angels of God love us as much as God does. See Luke 15:10, " Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth." There is simply no need to add to the word of God, or to invent motifs and scenarios or meditate on wild speculations concerning that which has been revealed in the Holy Bible." /// I'm not.
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