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Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Elle] #179831
03/15/16 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted By: Elle
Here's a very good & nice turn of events for both Ben Carson and Trump. Donald said he likes Ben's views on Health Care and Education. He adds that Ben Carson will be very much involves in those areas for the country.

Ben speaks very nicely in the live Press conference. I think this is a very nice touch the Lord has put into this by bringing these two men together. And who knows, maybe the Lord will bring Adventism health & education gift "front and center".


Ben Carson Endorses The Donald Press Conference - Live Feed


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Opposites attract? Softly-spoken Dr. Ben Carson is reportedly set to endorse The Donald this morning but Trump's press conference will, we are sure, have more to offer than just that...

As The Hill reports, Trump confirmed the endorsement on Thursday night’s GOP debate, saying Carson "will be very much involved” in advising him on education, calling it Carson’s “expertise.”

The retired neurosurgeon is expected to accompany Trump on the campaign trail as the real estate mogul attempts to cement his lead in Florida ahead of next week’s pivotal primary in the Sunshine State.





I'm sorry Elle. I didn't notice this post of yours.

But, I must disagree with your assessment.

Last edited by Alchemy; 03/15/16 10:43 PM.
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #179870
03/17/16 09:25 PM
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"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #179871
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Trump is no friend of religious liberty. So far, his speeches have indicated a bully who advocates violence against opponents and a willingness to dismantle the Constitution in order to silence his critics in the press!

He has made promises of political power to a number of religious audiences. Jerry Falwell Jr., the son of Moral Majority founder Jerry Falwell Sr., compared Trump to Jesus Christ, Martin Luther King Jr. and King David.

I would say that Trump is a prime candidate to bring in a government enforced Sunday law!


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #179872
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Ben Carson's endorsement of Trump is not "a very good & nice turn of events".
Carson is ignoring the council of Sister White that Seventh Day Adventists should not become involved in politics.

It seems that Carson is among those professed Seventh Day Adventists who do not accept the Fundamental Beliefs? Such "believers" should have the grace to find another church and stop bearing false witness by representing themselves to the world as Seventh Day Adventists!

Carson's entanglement in such high level politics is particularly disturbing in light of Sister White's warning that some Seventh Day Adventists will turn on their former brethren and support the Beast power...



"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: ProdigalOne] #179880
03/18/16 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
Ben Carson's endorsement of Trump is not "a very good & nice turn of events".
Carson is ignoring the council of Sister White that Seventh Day Adventists should not become involved in politics.

It seems that Carson is among those professed Seventh Day Adventists who do not accept the Fundamental Beliefs? Such "believers" should have the grace to find another church and stop bearing false witness by representing themselves to the world as Seventh Day Adventists!

Carson's entanglement in such high level politics is particularly disturbing in light of Sister White's warning that some Seventh Day Adventists will turn on their former brethren and support the Beast power...



I have long been concerned about Ben Carson's involvement in politics. And that concern is fast growing into disdain. Ben Carson has directly put his support behind Donald Trump and that is actually heretical to me.

We must pray for him.

Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #179908
03/19/16 07:55 AM
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Amen


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Alchemy] #179928
03/21/16 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: Alchemy

I have long been concerned about Ben Carson's involvement in politics. And that concern is fast growing into disdain. Ben Carson has directly put his support behind Donald Trump and that is actually heretical to me.

We must pray for him.

Maybe Ben knows Trump more than you!

Maybe Ben knows something you don't know!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-20...e-bed-democrats

If I were American, I would support B.Saunders. I think he would make a better president with more experience. However, if Trump wouldn't be around and some other puppet republican would be in the lead (by which Trump is not an establishment puppet, and that's why Mainstream Media is so on him to demonize everything he says), I really don't think Bernie would make it with his more gentle less aggressive demeanor. I don't think Bernie would win enough vote(despite he would get the lead in votes, but that would never be shown) to override the highly rigged computerized voting counting electoral system. Whereas Trump winnings is such a great majority, that the number is too great to be overriding.

The current phenomena is not about voting for either Trump or Saunders -- it is really to vote against the establishment. Both Saunders and Trump are non-establishment(elites) supported. I think personally that Saunders is a better person for the job; however I don't think he can pull to win the election what Trump can pull.

If Hillary ends up indicted for her past crimes and out of the race; and the election comes between Saunders and Trump -- that would be wonderful. And personally I would prefer Saunders, but Trump would be far better than any other puppets out there. So it wouldn't be a great loss either.

Concerning, Ben Carson -- I don't believe Ben supported Trump as what Alchemy termed something like "for political reasons"(sorry -- it wasn't in those exact words). That's accusing Ben being dishonest. I have respect for Ben and according to Trump verbal witness of their discussion the night before this press release -- after giving his support, Ben only express his views concerning education that he genuinely have a burden for as we know him for from the years he shared this within our churches.

I don't believe that Ben supported Trump while having interior goals as to have a place in his government. This happened because Trump thru their 8 months being together gain trust in Ben. This is the Lord's working behind the scenes -- not Ben nor Trump.

I believe Ben Carson supported Trump because he also saw something in Trump during the past 8 months of debates and at the occasional personal exchange they had and observing him, that won Ben's trust. I think Ben was genuine in his approach to Trump by giving his support. I don't believe it was a political move on his part. Nor do I think that he did it because he expected to be involve in Trumps government in the future.

And if Trump's win -- I still believe it is a nice turn of events that the Lord has put together. Whatever the Lord does -- it all works together for good at the end. We need to trust in His workmanship of the events He brings together.


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Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Elle] #179930
03/21/16 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: Elle
Originally Posted By: Alchemy

I have long been concerned about Ben Carson's involvement in politics. And that concern is fast growing into disdain. Ben Carson has directly put his support behind Donald Trump and that is actually heretical to me.

We must pray for him.

Maybe Ben knows Trump more than you!

Maybe Ben knows something you don't know!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-20...e-bed-democrats

If I were American, I would support B.Saunders. I think he would make a better president with more experience. However, if Trump wouldn't be around and some other puppet republican would be in the lead (by which Trump is not an establishment puppet, and that's why Mainstream Media is so on him to demonize everything he says), I really don't think Bernie would make it with his more gentle less aggressive demeanor. I don't think Bernie would win enough vote(despite he would get the lead in votes, but that would never be shown) to override the highly rigged computerized voting counting electoral system. Whereas Trump winnings is such a great majority, that the number is too great to be overriding.

The current phenomena is not about voting for either Trump or Saunders -- it is really to vote against the establishment. Both Saunders and Trump are non-establishment(elites) supported. I think personally that Saunders is a better person for the job; however I don't think he can pull to win the election what Trump can pull.

If Hillary ends up indicted for her past crimes and out of the race; and the election comes between Saunders and Trump -- that would be wonderful. And personally I would prefer Saunders, but Trump would be far better than any other puppets out there. So it wouldn't be a great loss either.

Concerning, Ben Carson -- I don't believe Ben supported Trump as what Alchemy termed something like "for political reasons"(sorry -- it wasn't in those exact words). That's accusing Ben being dishonest. I have respect for Ben and according to Trump verbal witness of their discussion the night before this press release -- after giving his support, Ben only express his views concerning education that he genuinely have a burden for as we know him for from the years he shared this within our churches.

I don't believe that Ben supported Trump while having interior goals as to have a place in his government. This happened because Trump thru their 8 months being together gain trust in Ben. This is the Lord's working behind the scenes -- not Ben nor Trump.

I believe Ben Carson supported Trump because he also saw something in Trump during the past 8 months of debates and at the occasional personal exchange they had and observing him, that won Ben's trust. I think Ben was genuine in his approach to Trump by giving his support. I don't believe it was a political move on his part. Nor do I think that he did it because he expected to be involve in Trumps government in the future.

And if Trump's win -- I still believe it is a nice turn of events that the Lord has put together. Whatever the Lord does -- it all works together for good at the end. We need to trust in His workmanship of the events He brings together.
(bold emphasis mine)

David had his failings with Bathsheba and the census.
Peter had his failings in denying his Lord and back peddling when the Jews showed in Antioch, I think it was Antioch.

I think Brother Carson has his failing in this regard.to politics.

Brother Carson really needs our prayers.

Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #179935
03/22/16 04:35 AM
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Elle, I agree with you that Trump and Saunders are both finding support due to their apparent non-establishment status. Whether either is as genuinely independent as they claim, time will tell.

I also agree that Saunders appears to be the better man.

It is certainly obvious to anyone paying close attention that Trump is being singled out as a bully and a bigot despite his main focus being the economy and jobs.

Although, he has many positive planks in his platform, Trump is nevertheless an extremely scary individual. His promise of political power to the religious right goes far belong the typical pre-election pandering. Taken together with his willingness to encourage violent suppression of common citizens who criticize his policies and his publically stated intention to meddle with the First Amendment, Trump is a recipe for religious oppression and outright fascism.

It is interesting to note that Hitler came to power by promising to turn around the German economy while scapegoating an ethnic minority... How does the Santayana quote go? "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Adventism brought front and center.... [Re: Rick H] #179936
03/22/16 04:52 AM
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In regard to Ben Carson, my primary concern is his complete disregard for the council of Sister White in which she states that Seventh Day Adventists should not run for political office.

The opinion of many faithful Seventh Day Adventsts is that those who do not accept the Fundamental Beliefs are not in fact members of the denomination. Carson obviously does not believe that Ellen White is a prophet and is therefor, misrepresenting himself as a Seventh Day Adventist!

As Alchemy said: "Brother Carson really needs our prayers".


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
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