Elle :Did Daniel and his 4 friends broken Ellen White's or God's laws in being in politics?

Is there a law or Biblical instruction anywhere that tells us not to get into governmental affairs?


ProdigalOne : I realize that you do not accept the writings of Sister White, published following the death of James White, as prophetic.

I presume this is why you did not accept the Ellen White quotes posted by dedication concerning running for political office, rather you asked for "a law or Biblical instruction".

I just noticed how you phrased your first question: "Did Daniel and his 4 friends broken Ellen White's or God's laws?"

Are you implying that Ellen White has a different set of laws than God?

You mis-understood. We were talking (here) about the Jesuit infiltration and Jim Arrabitos documentary and the Campmeeting photos of 1888 with 6 men surrounding Ellen White doing the Mason hidden hand sign -- thus in reference to all those reasons I was seeing that it wasn't so far-fetch (or insensible) for those to not trust Ellen White writing beyond James White death. I wasn't referring about me, I was only referring to those I have known for years that always told me not to trust any writing (or try to detect which did come from her pen from the writing that didn't) beyond that date.


I believe we need to test all things. I believe that some writings of Ellen white are inspired before or after 1888 -- however all needs to be tested.

I was only saying what the whole sentenced said. I wasn't at all implying or saying what you said above.

Whatever Ellen white's counsel or laws (whatever term you want to refer them) -- if they don't match to the Lord's counsel or laws -- then it is between you and the Lord to determine what to do with it.

Me, all I'm saying we are to test all things like the Lord, Ellen White and James told us to do.

When I do a study, I always use the Bible as my source book as I believe Ellen White and James told us to do. If you come to me and say -- well this or that is not in line with Ellen White...but I say to you, well I have this Bible text and that Bible text as my source.....

Then I think you should :

#1. of checked the accuracy of my Biblical source first before bringing forth to me any Ellen White quotes.

-1a) suppose my source does NOT align with scripture -- or I added something, or I misapplied the text. You need to address my erronous scripture source.

-1b) suppose my source DOES align with scriptures but you have other scriptures that aligns with Ellen White? Then we discuss the two scriptures that might seem to be in contradiction and reconcile them.

-1c)suppose my source DOES align with scriptures but you have NO scriptures to back Ellen saying? What do you do then? You need to go to the Lord -- not argue with me, nor blame Ellen White, nor blame the Church.

Does that make sense?

To me, I see a purpose for all things especially the reason the Lord wants us to test all things and sending us prophets to prove us. Read, meditate on Deut 13:1-5. The termed used in Deut 13 is Prophet -- NOT false prophet.

Ellen White is NOT a false Prophet to me. Even if there's some portion of her writings that has been tampered with by the Jesuit infiltration, or if she spoke with a lack of understanding, or she spoke a personal interpretation, or she taught it was the voice of the Lord but in reality it was mistaken as her own --- whatever reason may be --- she's still a prophet to my eyes.

I don't believe that any prophets were born prophets that didn't have to grow and weren't without error. What made the cannon in scriptures is 99% without error, but all other words they spoke -- these are not in the Bible. So these prophets had to grow into their calling and their past mistakes does not make them any less of a prophet.

It it us that do them wrong by neglecting our Deut 13 duty that the Lord told us to do always. We are to never assume that whatever they say is error free. It is our mistakes -- our sins -- not theirs.

We need to understand and know that prophets needs to grow. The prophets in training (which is a lifetime training like our own training are) needs to also learn to hear correctly the voice of the Lord and differtiating it from their own. They need to learn to put their heart idols aside like any other brothers and sisters have to learn also. They do not understand all things like any of us. They weren't reveal all things. Most of the cases they are not even given an interpretation of their dreams or visions. And most of the fulfillment of what dream or Words given is only fulfilled in many generations down the road. Most don't see the day that the Word given to them are fulfilled. They can fall into doubt. They can try to interpret or re-interpret what they think the vision, dream or Word means and they can not have it all right. But all of those reason may not mean that the dream or vision or word they heard wasn't from the Lord! Often time, it is what they added to it that wasn't. However that doesn't makes them less of a prophet because they had to grow, they did some mistakes, the interpretation wasn't given to them, or the fulfillment didn't come in their time.

Most people are too quick with their casting stones at them without understanding lifetime personal growth, and what the Lord meant in Deut 13. That's why many prophets died in the OT. Deut 13 is a warning to you (not to the prophets) to always test what a prophet tells you no matter the circumstances.

All those reasons above is why the Lord tells us to always test them and never assume that there's any point that it's ok to not test them. Even if in the time of the past, whatever they said came true. That's not a good reason to not test them in the future or whatever they say.

Even the pure Word of God (the Bible) needs to be tested at all time -- if you know what I mean with that.