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Re: Does the Bible Teach that Everybody Is Saved, or that Some Are Saved?
[Re: Daryl]
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03/27/16 05:10 AM
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Psalms 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
Jeremiah 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, said the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Does the Bible Teach that Everybody Is Saved, or that Some Are Saved?
[Re: James Peterson]
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EGW's and your lack of Biblical evidence is glaring still.
/// Ellen G. White has been demonstrated to be a true prophetess of God. So, there is every reason to listen to her writings. When Isaiah talked about the birth of the Messiah in chapters 7 and 9, much of that would have been brand new to most Israelites. But, it was true all the same. We as Seventh-day Adventists share in the "testimony of Jesus" and are blessed by it.
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Re: Does the Bible Teach that Everybody Is Saved, or that Some Are Saved?
[Re: Daryl]
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EGW's and your lack of Biblical evidence is glaring still. And you know it.
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Re: Does the Bible Teach that Everybody Is Saved, or that Some Are Saved?
[Re: James Peterson]
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EGW's and your lack of Biblical evidence is glaring still. And you know it.
/// I would never affirm such a statement as yours, James. This is very common with those who don't understand and apply "thought inspiration" to our reasoning. The Bible is thought inspired, not verbally inspired. You will find the same with Sister White's writings as well.
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Re: Does the Bible Teach that Everybody Is Saved, or that Some Are Saved?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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So do you believe ALL are not raised in the first resurrection?
Though your post appears to be responding to Daryl, I will be happy to say that from my understanding of the Bible only a special group of wicked people will be raised before Christ comes, and definitely not all of them. In fact, I understand that there are to be THREE general resurrections. (I say "general" to distinguish them from special resurrections where an individual is raised to life, such as occasionally occurs in our world even today.) 1. Christ's murderers -- These will be raised just before He comes so that they have opportunity to witness His coming. (See Matthew 26:64 and Revelation 1:7.) 2. The righteous dead -- These will be raised at the trump of God when Christ has come, and they will rise to meet Him in the air, following which the righteous living will also join them in the air. (See 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.) 3. All the wicked who are to be raised to face judgment (a special few will never be raised again per God's mercy) -- These will be raised at Christ's third coming and will see the New Jerusalem with the saints of God in it. These will all acknowledge that God has been fair in punishing them, but will, nonetheless, seek to make war with Him in order to overcome the City and possess it for themselves before God will bring fire upon them and destroy them all, root and branch. (See John 5:28-29, Revelation 21:8, Revelation 14:9-10, Revelation chapter 20, Romans 14:11-12, Philippians 2:10-12, Revelation 19:20, Malachi 4:1-3, and Matthew 18:8-9.) Blessings, Green Cochoa. Sorry, I was a few pages back and thought Elle's was the last post. To me the beheading in Rev 20:4 means an overcomer needs to loose its own head by receiving a new mind & will -- the mind of Christ; thus receiving a new HEAD. Jesus is the HEAD of the body of overcomers. So there are some raised who do not have a new mind and will (and not referring to after the millennium)? No -- I believe that ALL that are raised at the 1st resurrection will be "beheaded"[spiritually speaking]. For sure some will had suffered a literal form of beheaded death before the grave, but most not. I do not believe that a literal beheading before death is a requirement to attain the 1st resurrection like James is proposing. To me it just doesn't add up with many other scriptures. If that would be so then that would means many like David, Joseph, Jacob, Moses, Paul, John, etc... won't make it just because they didn't die with a physical literal head chopping? Well at least, that's my view... and I think our Church doesn't holds James view on this text either -- well at least I've never heard of it before. Actually I had never paid any reflection on this "beheaded" words in that verse before. So I'm grateful James brought it up. I had found myself agreeing with James many times, as I have seen him say some pretty profound things; but I'm not agreeing with this one. But like all things...everyone needs to chew on this, look what other scriptures says, and go to the Holy Spirit with this and let Him tell you His interpretation.
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Re: Does the Bible Teach that Everybody Is Saved, or that Some Are Saved?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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a special few will never be raised again per God's mercy Why do you believe a lie? /// James, if it were a lie I wouldn't believe it. I only believe what I understand to be the truth. I expect you are the same. Few people knowingly believe lies. Here is the reason for my belief: I saw that the slave-master would have to answer for the soul of his slave whom he has kept in ignorance; and all the sins of the slave will be visited upon the master. God cannot take the slave to heaven, who has been kept in ignorance and degradation, knowing nothing of God, or the Bible, fearing nothing but his master's lash, and not holding so elevated a position as his master's brute beasts. But he does the best thing for him that a compassionate God can do. He lets him be as though he had not been; while the master has to suffer the seven last plagues, and then come up in the second resurrection, and suffer the second, most awful death. Then the wrath of God will be appeased. {1SG 193.1} If you are referring to He lets him be as though he had not been;
Is there anywhere else where she says a similar thing about the wicked in general?
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Re: Does the Bible Teach that Everybody Is Saved, or that Some Are Saved?
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??? Didn't I already replied to you about this? Did you mean to comment on something you disagree? Sorry, but I still don't have the gift of reading minds.  So do you believe ALL are not raised in the first resurrection?
Though your post appears to be responding to Daryl, I will be happy to say that from my understanding of the Bible only a special group of wicked people will be raised before Christ comes, and definitely not all of them. In fact, I understand that there are to be THREE general resurrections. (I say "general" to distinguish them from special resurrections where an individual is raised to life, such as occasionally occurs in our world even today.) 1. Christ's murderers -- These will be raised just before He comes so that they have opportunity to witness His coming. (See Matthew 26:64 and Revelation 1:7.) 2. The righteous dead -- These will be raised at the trump of God when Christ has come, and they will rise to meet Him in the air, following which the righteous living will also join them in the air. (See 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.) 3. All the wicked who are to be raised to face judgment (a special few will never be raised again per God's mercy) -- These will be raised at Christ's third coming and will see the New Jerusalem with the saints of God in it. These will all acknowledge that God has been fair in punishing them, but will, nonetheless, seek to make war with Him in order to overcome the City and possess it for themselves before God will bring fire upon them and destroy them all, root and branch. (See John 5:28-29, Revelation 21:8, Revelation 14:9-10, Revelation chapter 20, Romans 14:11-12, Philippians 2:10-12, Revelation 19:20, Malachi 4:1-3, and Matthew 18:8-9.) Blessings, Green Cochoa. Sorry, I was a few pages back and thought Elle's was the last post. To me the beheading in Rev 20:4 means an overcomer needs to loose its own head by receiving a new mind & will -- the mind of Christ; thus receiving a new HEAD. Jesus is the HEAD of the body of overcomers. So there are some raised who do not have a new mind and will (and not referring to after the millennium)? No -- I believe that ALL that are raised at the 1st resurrection will be "beheaded"[spiritually speaking]. For sure some will had suffered a literal form of beheaded death before the grave, but most not. I do not believe that a literal beheading before death is a requirement to attain the 1st resurrection like James is proposing. To me it just doesn't add up with many other scriptures. If that would be so then that would means many like David, Joseph, Jacob, Moses, Paul, John, etc... won't make it just because they didn't die with a physical literal head chopping? Well at least, that's my view... and I think our Church doesn't holds James view on this text either -- well at least I've never heard of it before. Actually I had never paid any reflection on this "beheaded" words in that verse before. So I'm grateful James brought it up. I had found myself agreeing with James many times, as I have seen him say some pretty profound things; but I'm not agreeing with this one. But like all things...everyone needs to chew on this, look what other scriptures says, and go to the Holy Spirit with this and let Him tell you His interpretation.
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Re: Does the Bible Teach that Everybody Is Saved, or that Some Are Saved?
[Re: Daryl]
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04/01/16 03:54 PM
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No, Elle, I didn't find where you replied. But the above was to green as he thought I was replying to him.
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Re: Does the Bible Teach that Everybody Is Saved, or that Some Are Saved?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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04/02/16 06:50 PM
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EGW's and your lack of Biblical evidence is glaring still.
/// Then prove to me, from the Bible, that God is not merciful. I assumed you would not require proof that God was merciful, but it appears I misunderstood your position. Please show me, from the Bible, where I am wrong. Maybe I read texts like Exodus 34:6-7 differently than you do? Perhaps it failed to register (on you) that Ellen White failed to provide any biblical evidence for an idea drawn out of thin air (EGW, 1SG 193.1). On the other hand, Jesus speaks of those who will be better off not having been born: - JUDAS: "The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had never been born." (Mark 14:21)
- PEDOPHILES: "It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones." (Luke 17:2)
And, Jesus (and Paul) also speaks about the resurrection of EVERYONE. - See John 5:28, "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which ALL WHO ARE IN THE GRAVES will hear His voice ..."
- See Rom. 14:10-12, "For WE SHALL ALL stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written: 'As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.' So then EACH OF US shall give account of himself to God."
According to Jesus Christ (and Paul) then, ALL who are in the graves, we shall ALL (EACH ONE of us) be raised, bow and confess. Therefore, the "STRANGE" idea that only some will be raised (EGW, 1SG 193.1) is false, misleading and beguiling.///
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Re: Does the Bible Teach that Everybody Is Saved, or that Some Are Saved?
[Re: Daryl]
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04/04/16 03:18 PM
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James, is there a difference between the resurrection of EVERYONE and the salvation of everyone?
(Unless you are only addressing Green's "as though he had not been;" in which case, I'll wait until he answers my question. He's been called out on that before, but is repeating it)
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