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Re: Are we at the close of probation?
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11/22/16 12:44 PM
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It seems like I've asked this before but have not yet received an answer:
Where in the Bible does it say you are to start renumbering the heads after 1929? In the text where it says "the deadly wound was healed"
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: Are we at the close of probation?
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11/22/16 01:22 PM
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And the head was dead during the 1800s? No. The deadly wound was healed shortly after it was inflicted.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Are we at the close of probation?
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11/23/16 04:59 AM
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Then there are those of us who don't believe the wound was healed either in 1927 with Mussolini's act, or back in 1800 when Pius VII became pope after Pius VI was captured in 1798.
What makes Pius VI's imprisonment and death different from other popes who suffered an enforced end?
Four popes died while in exile or in prison, six were assassinated. Pope Silverius (536-537)accused of plotting with the Goths, deposed, exiled and died within a couple months. This actually happened at the beginning of the 1260 years.
Pope Stephen VI imprisoned and strangled.
Pope Clement VII was imprisoned for over six months when the armies of Charles V sacked Rome on 6 May 1527. He was only released when he agreed to hand over many of the papal territories.
Those are only some examples --
So what made 1798 different?
No it wasn't the lose of papal states Those states weren't all lost in 1798. In fact it wasn't until 1870 that the Vatican State became part of Italy.
No it wasn't because a pope went to prison and died. Others had suffered the same fate.
The difference was a CHANGE OF LAW. The Catholic Church was no longer the STATE church. Roman canon law had given the papacy the right to "take care of heretics" by civil means, but the new laws favored religious freedom, particularly in view of Protestantism.
Thus the wound that killed the beast (that beast was a political state/religious persecuting power)did so by separating the religious element from the political by law, and it will be healed when laws are enforced that obliterate religious freedom and awaken persecution, again combining religion and politics in a state enforced religion.
There won't be seven heads following -- the healed head that brings the beast back to life is the LAST --
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Re: Are we at the close of probation?
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When the French imprisoned Pope Pius VI in 1798, Pius was removed from being the head of ALL the churches and from being a global political power.
Popes had once made nations quake simply by threatening to excommunicate them. This power was gone.
The deadly wound was sufficiently healed in 1929 when the Pius head had its kingdom restored. Counting from Pius XI, there were only 7 solo popes ending with Benedict who ruled for a short space.
The facts are as they are and the wise will understand for we have God's word on it.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: Are we at the close of probation?
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11/23/16 09:06 AM
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And the head was dead during the 1800s? No. The deadly wound was healed shortly after it was inflicted. After Pius VI was removed from authority over all the churches and the state, the papacy lost its "awe factor" King Emanuel wanted to incorporate the papal states into a unified Italy and he did it. The pope's threat of excommunication did not phase him though in the past that threat had made emperors yield to Rome's dictates. And the popes exiled themselves into the Vatican until 1929 when Mussolini gave them a kingdom. In fact the dependency of the pope on the Italian state for its secular power is evident in that Pope John-Paul II renegotiated parts of the Lateran treaty while he ruled the papacy.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: Are we at the close of probation?
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11/24/16 02:29 PM
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It seems like I've asked this before but have not yet received an answer:
Where in the Bible does it say you are to start renumbering the heads after 1929? In the text where it says "the deadly wound was healed" That's in Rev 13. And it says nothing about restarting a count! Assuming your presumption, though incorrect, that the beast of 13 and 17 are the same, you have yet to establish that the heads should restart the numbering. When people start making contradictions, we know where they stand: After Pius VI was removed from authority over all the churches and the state, the papacy lost its "awe factor" King Emanuel wanted to incorporate the papal states into a unified Italy and he did it. The pope's threat of excommunication did not phase him though in the past that threat had made emperors yield to Rome's dictates.
And the popes exiled themselves into the Vatican until 1929 when Mussolini gave them a kingdom. In fact the dependency of the pope on the Italian state for its secular power is evident in that Pope John-Paul II renegotiated parts of the Lateran treaty while he ruled the papacy.
So to be healed, the pope must have authority over all the churches and the state", "being the head of ALL the churches and from being a global political power", threaten kings with excommunication, among others. Don't get me wrong, there are signs it is healing. But not healed. And this is nothing saying there is some restart of count of popes. No different than saying there will be 666 popes. Nonsense.
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Re: Are we at the close of probation?
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The difference was a CHANGE OF LAW. The Catholic Church was no longer the STATE church. Roman canon law had given the papacy the right to "take care of heretics" by civil means, but the new laws favored religious freedom, particularly in view of Protestantism.
Thus the wound that killed the beast (that beast was a political state/religious persecuting power)did so by separating the religious element from the political by law, and it will be healed when laws are enforced that obliterate religious freedom and awaken persecution, again combining religion and politics in a state enforced religion.
There won't be seven heads following -- the healed head that brings the beast back to life is the LAST --
THANK YOU!!!
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