When evidence is repeatedly shown that there are grave inconsistencies in an interpretation, and those are repeatedly ignored, it is true -- there is no meaningful dialog.

The promoter of those novel intepretations then only turns to attacking the other's spirituality, labeling them as Laodicean, etc. etc.


I think your version would only convince Adventists who HAVE NOT studied the Adventist prophetic message in any detail, and thus they don't see all the inconsistencies.

The three angel's message is -- come out of Babylon -- don't adapt the "last day message" to Babylon's interpretations, there is no safety in doing that. Everything is being rigged so people will turn to Babylon for leadership and think by doing so they are escaping the anti-Christ.

Did you missed the point?

Read the prophecy in Daniel 7 again. The prophecy speaks of sea-beasts. The interpretation is about earth-beasts. And the interpretation speaks of brass-nails. No place in the vision will you find a reference to brass-nails.

The interpretation is expanding the prophecy as well as interpreting it by virtue of the fact that the interpretation is adding elements that were not given in the narration of the vision.

No, he didn't miss the point, he simply stated where you go wrong.
You turn the interpretation into an entirely different prophecy, which is NOT the way to understand interpretations.

The sea beasts rising from the sea are symbols of literal kingdoms reigning on the literal earth.

There are NOT another four beasts depicted anywhere in the prophecy of Daniel 7. There are just FOUR beasts in that chapter and they all come out of the sea. There are NO earth beasts. There are four KINGS. Just because the interpretation further talks about the "nails" which Daniel saw on the sea beast does not turn that sea beast into a whole new beast, all it means is that every detail of the sea beast was not written -- I'm sure Daniel saw a lot more details on the sea beasts than what was written.

Four symbolic sea beasts represent four earthly kingdoms.

Your point about the brass nails is interesting, but, you were speaking prophetically about the interpretation. Interpreting the sea beasts as earth beasts is the end of that point Biblically. But, you were perpetuating the point anyway. So, I would say you missed the point.

(bold emphasis mine)

And that is the end of that point. The four sea beasts represent, or are interpreted as, earthly kingdoms.

When the Scriptures and Spirit of Prophecy clearly explain that the earth and sea are different symbols, you would contradict them to say that in Daniel 7 the earth and the sea are the same.

Clearly instead of allowing the Scriptures to explain themselves and to accept a thus saith the Lord, tradition is blinding your eyes to hold a view that was settled before knowledge was increased.

The interpretation of Daniel 7 (7:15-28) IS what Heaven said the vision (7:1-14) meant. When the vision is used to interpret the interpretation, you will not come out with the same understanding that I arrive at when I allow the interpretation to interpret the vision.

When it is understood that the book of Daniel was written in Hebrew and Aramaic,it is helpful. We sometimes use foreign words in English sentences. like "Hey amigo how you doing?"

Since Daniel was bilingual and chapter 7 was in Aramaic and 8 was in Hebrew, can you be dogmatic that the Aramaic words in 7 were not intended to convey a Hebrew meaning?

“The four winds of heaven gûach [strove (Aramaic), brought forth (Hebrew)] rab [captains (A) & (H)] yâm [the great sea (A), from the west (H)]. Four captains living came up from out of the west.” “These…four kings shall arise out of the earth” (7:2-3, 17, ed).

The "captains from the west" alternate interpretation that tosses in a Hebrew meaning for one Aramaic word aligns perfectly with Heaven's interpretation "kings from the earth (American Presidents)"

Mark,

The commands to seal, shut up, and to close Daniel are in Daniel’s last chapter (12:4 & 9), its 3rd portion.

Daniel chapters 8–12.

Since Daniel 9 is in the third portion, and it was fulfilled in Christ’s Day (2000-years ago), how can ALL the events in Daniel 9 now be in the process of fulfillment? There must be a more complete fulfillment coming of that which has been fulfilled.

“The book of Daniel is now unsealed... By the increase of knowledge a people is to be prepared to stand in the latter days. 2SM 105.1”



If that is true, then Daniel 9 has to have its proper place in the 3 angels' messages.



What prophecies in Daniel predicted Christ's First Advent?









until later

In those two verses both the sea and the earth are symbolic.
How do we know?

Because in both a symbolic beast is rising from a symbolic location.
"I saw a (symbolic) beast rise from a (symbolic) sea. Rev. 13:1

The symbolic beast (Roman papacy) rose from the symbolic sea (turbulent European nations always fighting for power)

This first beast in Revelation 13 is the sum of Daniel 7's beasts, with it's bear feet, lion mouth and leopard wings; it had amalgamated and reached the stage of the fourth beast (Rome) by John's day, and in Revelation its future was revealed to John. It would have power for 1260 years, be wounded to death, be revived and be worshipped by the whole world. It would be the guiding hand in the work of the second beast, as everything the second beast does is done for and in the sight of the first beast.


The second beast
"I saw another (symbolic) beast come out of the (symbolic) earth (Rev. 13:11)

Another beast (powerful nation, America) would come up -- not in turbulent Europe, but in a relatively sparsely populated place.




Notice this quote begins with the words:

A NEW SYMBOL IS INTRODUCED
This new symbol is introduced in Revelation. It is not a new or different interpretation of Daniel 7, rather it is a NEW SYMBOL.

Daniel only showed us the continuation of the Roman power through the little horn that would exert tremendous power for 1260 years and be a fierce countenance to reckon with in the end of time.
Daniel also told us that armies would stand on his part, one of which would do so for 1290 years. (Dan 11:31, 12:11) That was the "first son of the church" the Franks that stood behind the papacy from 508 till it turned against her in 1798.

What arms will stand on his part in the time of the end?
That is answered in Revelation 13 -- when a NEW SYMBOL is introduced. The United States of America will stand on his part and cause the whole world to worship the first beast and his image.







No, there is no contradiction.
When it says symbolic beasts rise from symbolic sea or a symbolic beast rises from a symbolic earth, we recognize all the symbolic nature of the phrase.

But that doesn't mean everytime "sea" or "earth" is mention it's always symbolic, we must read the context to determine if a word is symbolic or not.

The words "sea" and "earth" can be either literal or symbolic depending on context.
When beasts arise from the sea or the earth, then sea and earth are symbolic.

But when s symbolic beast and sea is being INTERPRETED,
the resultant explanation that it represents kingdoms upon the earth are literal not symbolic.

The symbolic beast rises from the symbolic sea. Those symbols represents at literal kingdom on the literal earth.

7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,

The fourth symbolic beast from the symbolic sea, shall be the fourth literal kingdom upon the literal earth.

What's interesting is how the evangelical world is doing these very same things with the time prophecies. Always trying to set dates and time periods by reinterpreting time lines.

We are NOT to do that.

Did you realize that they (some evangelical Bible students) figured out that the rapture would take place sometime between Sept. 25 and Dec. 25, 2016?

Not only did they do some figuring using Biblical timelines, to arrive at this conclusion, they also claim God gave them a visual sign in the sky to confirm it.

According to them:
"September 25, 2014 was not only the head of the civil new year on the Hebrew calendar, but it was also the first day of a Smeitah year as well as the first day of the seventh Shemitah year of a 49 year period."

Part of their "evidence" was based on the fact Obama's presidency ends Jan. 2017.

The other part is applying the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8.
Rosh HaShanah to Hanukkah
09-09-2010 to 12-25-2016 =2300 days





Though if you check, there have been groups predicting dates for their rapture, or second coming, or end of the world, every year for the last half century.

One thing we can agree on --
The world realizes we are on the edge of something stupendous, and we are!

However, we don't need speculative date settings to know that, those only confuse the issues, and cause people to turn away from all prophecy, because such a heap of calculations have failed.

The main thing we need --
Are we right with our Lord, is our life hid in Him, so we will be able to stand in HIM, no matter when the last crises is unleashed.