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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Charity] #182304
01/12/17 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mark Shipowick
Notice though that this doesn't mean we have at least 3.5 more years. We may be nearer to the end than most of us think.
I understand when the 3.5 years start, probation will have already closed for those thinking they can wait until then to change.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182316
01/16/17 03:31 AM
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Psalm 77:13 "Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?"

The plan of salvation is in the pattern of sanctuary. Jesus' sacrifice is the major feature of the seven annual feasts in Scripture, which sums up everything in Leviticus 23. The first four feasts fulfilled according to its patterns.

Passover : Jesus serves as the sacrificial lamb
Unleavened Bread : body of our Lord
First Fruits : resurrection of our Lord
Pentecost : Early rain of the Holy Spirit in Apostle time

Trumpets : 10 days of the warning, the near approach of the Day of Atonement
Atonement : Anti-Typical Day of Atonement in heaven which opened in 1844
Tabernacles : pilgrim ends, future in the kingdom of God

My question is if the Anti-Typical Day of Atonement began in 1844, when did the 10 days of the Feast of Trumpets started and ended in anti-type? It must have started a way before 1844. I don't think it was 10 years before 1844 because the Anti-Typical Day of Atonement still going on 173 years. I believe that the anti-type of the Feast of Trumpets must be 10 times longer than the period of anti-type Day of Atonement.

The purpose of the Anti-Type Feast of Trumpets is to warn the solemn Day approaching. And at the closing of the 10th day, the trumpets were blown throughout all the land (Lev. 25:9). Thus we can see that Jesus' cast down the ashes, indicating the close of probation, occurs with blast of the seven trumpets. The prophet Joel said in Joel 2:1, "Blow the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand".

Jesus could not come until the anti-type fulfills its significant meaning. We must catch the glimpse of the mediatorial work of our great High Priest that He is going to declare, "It is done" and finish His work. This final judgment day was preached or warned by sounding of the trumpet in early church of the Apostle and throughout the centuries. It will become even louder because the close of probation approaching very close. I believe the anti-type Feast of Trumpets have started the way back.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182318
01/16/17 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: Karen Y
Psalm 77:13 "Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?"

The plan of salvation is in the pattern of sanctuary. Jesus' sacrifice is the major feature of the seven annual feasts in Scripture, which sums up everything in Leviticus 23. The first four feasts fulfilled according to its patterns.

Passover : Jesus serves as the sacrificial lamb
Unleavened Bread : body of our Lord
First Fruits : resurrection of our Lord
Pentecost : Early rain of the Holy Spirit in Apostle time

Trumpets : 10 days of the warning, the near approach of the Day of Atonement
Atonement : Anti-Typical Day of Atonement in heaven which opened in 1844
Tabernacles : pilgrim ends, future in the kingdom of God

My question is if the Anti-Typical Day of Atonement began in 1844, when did the 10 days of the Feast of Trumpets started and ended in anti-type? It must have started a way before 1844. I don't think it was 10 years before 1844 because the Anti-Typical Day of Atonement still going on 173 years. I believe that the anti-type of the Feast of Trumpets must be 10 times longer than the period of anti-type Day of Atonement.

The purpose of the Anti-Type Feast of Trumpets is to warn the solemn Day approaching. And at the closing of the 10th day, the trumpets were blown throughout all the land (Lev. 25:9). Thus we can see that Jesus' cast down the ashes, indicating the close of probation, occurs with blast of the seven trumpets. The prophet Joel said in Joel 2:1, "Blow the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand".

Jesus could not come until the anti-type fulfills its significant meaning. We must catch the glimpse of the mediatorial work of our great High Priest that He is going to declare, "It is done" and finish His work. This final judgment day was preached or warned by sounding of the trumpet in early church of the Apostle and throughout the centuries. It will become even louder because the close of probation approaching very close. I believe the anti-type Feast of Trumpets have started the way back.



Because you are misinterpreting the word of God, you end up talking nonsense. The very psalm also says, "Your way was in the sea; your path in the great waters. And Your footsteps were not known." (Psalm 77:19)

Are you going to now advocate the strict study of oceanography? Is it your plan to listen to the whales and sharks for a prophecy? Do you see a delineation of the future in their migratory patterns, in the way they move their fins and tails or the way they chew their chow on Wednesdays?

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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182320
01/16/17 03:29 PM
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James, personally I feel you should be applying that to Elle, rather than Karen. Karen may or may not have used a wrong verse, but the purpose of the whole sanctuary service pointed to Christ and salvation. Otherwise, what do you think it's purpose was?

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: kland] #182325
01/16/17 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
James, personally I feel you should be applying that to Elle, rather than Karen. Karen may or may not have used a wrong verse, but the purpose of the whole sanctuary service pointed to Christ and salvation. Otherwise, what do you think it's purpose was?

... the life, death, resurrection and ascension of Christ: our redemption. And that has long since been fulfilled.

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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182336
01/17/17 09:42 PM
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Is there no more left to our redemption? What about the sanctuary part of the scapegoat?

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182337
01/18/17 02:06 AM
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Following the pattern of sanctuary, we are in the Anti-Typical Day of Atonement since 1844. In the Old Testament time, the blast of trumpets was made at the close of the Day of Atonement (Lev. 25:90). Thus the blast of trumpets are to be made now for a reminder of the close of Anti-Typical Day of Atonement. I believe it is by the Seven Trumpets message.

The close of the Anti-Typical Day of Atonement is the Close of probation. The sevenfold trumpet message—the Seven Trumpets—is clearly announcing the close of probation. When Jesus finishes His intercession and lays down His priesthood garment, He will declare, "It is done." After that the scapegoat will have to bear the sins of the people.

Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: kland] #182338
01/18/17 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Is there no more left to our redemption? What about the sanctuary part of the scapegoat?

Jesus was the scapegoat: he took our sin upon himself and bore it away, nevermore to be held against us. John 1:29, "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, 'Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.'" The sin of ALL the sin offerings remained until the Day of Atonement when it was ALL taken away in one day, i.e. Calvary.

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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: Karen Y] #182339
01/18/17 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted By: Karen Y
Following the pattern of sanctuary, we are in the Anti-Typical Day of Atonement since 1844. In the Old Testament time, the blast of trumpets was made at the close of the Day of Atonement (Lev. 25:90). Thus the blast of trumpets are to be made now for a reminder of the close of Anti-Typical Day of Atonement. I believe it is by the Seven Trumpets message.

The close of the Anti-Typical Day of Atonement is the Close of probation. The sevenfold trumpet message—the Seven Trumpets—is clearly announcing the close of probation. When Jesus finishes His intercession and lays down His priesthood garment, He will declare, "It is done." After that the scapegoat will have to bear the sins of the people.

Trumpets were blown on the Day of Atonement ONLY in the year of Jubilee as an occasion for freedom and rejoicing. See Lev. 25:8-12.

"And you shall count seven sabbaths of years for yourself, seven times seven years; and the time of the seven sabbaths of years shall be to you forty-nine years. Then you shall cause the trumpet of the Jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement you shall make the trumpet to sound throughout all your land. And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee for you; and each of you shall return to his possession, and each of you shall return to his family. That fiftieth year shall be a Jubilee to you; in it you shall neither sow nor reap what grows of its own accord, nor gather the grapes of your untended vine. For it is the Jubilee; it shall be holy to you; you shall eat its produce from the field."

It is evident that the trumpet on that day (every 50 years) is not an occasion for war as in the book of Revelation where even the last three are called woes upon humanity, but an announcement of peace and goodwill to everyone.

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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered [Re: James Peterson] #182352
01/20/17 02:06 AM
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Would that be the antitypical Jubilee when Anti-Typical Day of Atonement closes and ushers in the kingdom of God?

In the type, the Jubilee was ushered in at the close of the Day of Atonement. Likewise we understand that the antitypical Jubilee will follow the antitypical Day of Atonement.

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