Ah, once again we hear from Mr. (Friar?) Peterson: "friend of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church"!


"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee..." Hosea 4:6

In God's eyes, "Rejection of the Testimonies" is NOT a trivial matter!"


As you say, let us "Consider what Paul says in 1 Timothy 4, "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith:
- giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
- speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron"


I see you are still broadcasting your shallow understanding of scripture. Or are you being deliberately obtuse? A deeper, more thoughrough, study of Romans 14 would reveal to you that Paul is speaking of meat offered to idols. Since the fake gods behind the idols do not exist eating meat offered to them is irrelevant and not a sign of a weak faith.

Of course, the only meats to abstain from are those the designer of the human body has told us are unhealthy (unclean). His dietary law contains all of the "...foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving [b]by those who believe and know the truth."

Romans 14 is also commonly used in a futile attempt to nullify God's Ten Commandments, particularly the Sabbath Command. The changeless character of the Almighty was inscribed in His perfect Law. The Ten Commandments were written in stone by the finger of God and proclaimed in the presence of all Israel. They were then repeated (especially the Sabbath Command) over and over throughout the Scriptures.

Is the Holy Law of God so often repeated set aside by a solitary reference to "esteeming one day above another"?

A deeper, more faithful, examination of the text leads to the undeniable conclusion that Paul is referring to the seven annual sabbaths contained in the ceremonial Law: Passover, Tabernacles, etc.

Perhaps, those studying Romans 14 should also read the last half of Hosea 4:6, "...seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."


Mr. (Friar?) Peterson, you claim that this Church commands celibacy?
I am not certain where you obtained your spotty knowledge of SDA teachings.
Perhaps a quote or two from your favourite endtimes prophetess will clear things up for you:

"Chapter 18—Marital Duties and Privileges
Jesus Did Not Enforce Celibacy—Those who regard the marriage relation as one of God's sacred ordinances, guarded by His holy precept, will be controlled by the dictates of reason.1A Solemn Appeal," 139. AH 121.1

"Jesus did not enforce celibacy upon any class of men. He came not to destroy the sacred relationship of marriage, but to exalt it and restore it to its original sanctity. He looks with pleasure upon the family relationship where sacred and unselfish love bears sway.2Manuscript 126," 1903. AH 121.2

"Marriage Is Lawful and Holy—There is in itself no sin in eating and drinking, or in marrying and giving in marriage. It was lawful to marry in the time of Noah, and it is lawful to marry now, if that which is lawful is properly treated and not carried to sinful excess. But in the days of Noah men married without consulting God or seeking His guidance and counsel...." AH 121.3

Ellen White


Here are the closing words of your post:

"In other words, there will come a time when a people will rise up adding celibacy..."
(As the above quotes from the co-founder of the SDA Church, Ellen White, clearly show, this is false!

...and 'a health message' to the gospel of salvation, overturning Romans 14 in their misguided zeal;
(So... adhering to God's health laws is a bad thing??? Are you suggesting Christians should smoke cigarettes and eat unhealthy food? Would this somehow increase our faith?)

"...guided as it were by a false prophet and leadership that secretly practice the very things they forbid."
(You've completely lost me with this bit???)

"And the people will love to have it so."
(What is it we will love? Do you mean the biblical diet? Before God led me to His remnant Church, I used to really enjoy bacon, smoked ham, crab, oysters etc. After accepting God's dietary plan, I do love feeling healthier and looking forward to a longer lifespan. Is that what you mean?)
(Are you suggesting we will love celibacy? Umm, I can't speak for every member, but my opinion is, vive la différence!)

Mr. (Friar?) Peterson, I was reading over your post and while it bears no resemblance at all to the Seventh Day Adventist Church, it occurred to me that there is a (so called) church that it describes perfectly!


"Rejection of the Testimonies" is a trivial matter. Consider what Paul says in 1 Timothy 4, "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith:
giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron --- [A] forbidding to marry, and [b]commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth."


"Rejection of the testimonies"
- this church rejected truth in favour of human tradition.

"Will depart from the faith"
- this church abandoned faith in God and now trusts in its hierarchy of elevated men.
- it has replaced the Grace of God with salvation by works.


"Giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons"
- this church adopted a trinitarian theology that in effect makes Jesus a created being.
- it has accepted and encouraged the demonic doctrine of worship and prayer to the dead.
- it has committed blaspheme by usurping the prerogative of God to forgive sin and even declared its leader to be another God on Earth!

"speaking lies in hypocrisy"
- it has claimed sinless infallibility while falsely accusing others in order to obtain temporal
power.
- it has claimed the power to change the perfect Law of God
- it has erased the second Commandment to permit itself the worship of idols
- it openly boasts of changing the fourth Commandment, replacing the Seventh Day Sabbath of God with its own mark of authority the first day Sunday worship

"having their own conscience seared with a hot iron"
- in the name of its false man/god, it has imprisoned, tortured, and murdered untold millions of innocent human beings without the slightest pang of conscience or acknowledgement of guilt.

"forbidding to marry"
- it has forbidden its priests and nuns to marry, thus disobeying the command of God to "be fruitful and multiply" while simultaneously engendering homosexuality and pedophilia within its ranks.

"commanding to abstain from foods"
- it has commanded its adherents to abstain from warm-blooded flesh meat on Friday as a penance, thereby diminishing the sacrifice of Christ as sufficient for forgiveness of sin.


This church seems to be a perfect match for 1Timothy 4, wouldn't you agree, Mr. (Friar?) Peterson. I have a hunch that a traditionalist such as yourself is familiar with the Mother of Harlots known as the Catholic Church?

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." -- Queen Gertrude (from Hamlet by William Shakespeare: Act III, Scene II)

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Mr. Peterson, your use of fiction to mock Truth does suit your views very nicely...



"The time has come when those who are rooted and grounded in the truth may manifest their firmness and decision, may make known the fact that they are unmoved by the sophistry, maxims, or fables of the ignorant and wavering. Without foundation men will make statements with all the positiveness of truth; but it is of no use to argue with them concerning their spurious assertions. The best way to deal with error is to present the truth, and leave wild ideas to die out for want of notice. Contrasted with truth, the weakness of error is made apparent to every intelligent mind."

Ellen G White
TM 165.1

Too bad you(and many others here) doesn't listened to EGW counsel above.... "The best way to deal with error is to present the truth". .... be specific ProdigalOne. Where is James error? Show why do you think it is an error by bringing forth scriptures.

If you will read my post, you will see that 1 Timothy 4 was quoted and discussed.
The Truth was presented. Anyone with an open mind and a Bible can research the relevant scriptures. I have no desire to waste my time trotting out the same old verses to prove the same points that have been made over and over on this forum. It is tedious and unfruitful when everyone involved has heard and made up their minds on a topic.

It is all too obvious that Mr. Peterson will not be moved from his shallow unbiblical views. His purpose here is to spread the Jesuit inspired wine of Babylon and waste the time of those who believe God's Word.

Elle, you appear to be an extremely fast typist with an exorbitant quantity of time on your hands. If you wish to repeat basic doctrine, ad infinitum, to an audience that has already decided to stubbornly disagree with simple Truth then be my guest.

Incidentally, Mr. Peterson has already mocked me for the lengthiness of my reply to his post. Do you really believe that the best solution to this is more words?

I perceive that your grasp of the literary device leaves much to be desired; and hence your inability to correctly interpret first century literature, viz-a-viz 1 Tim. 4:1-4.

Paul emphasized his point to Timothy by saying further that he (Timothy) was "nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed. But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things ..." (v. 6-8)

As he says in Rom. 14:17, "the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." It is this moving away from freedom in the gospel towards austere doctrines tied on the backs of people that Paul warns Timothy against.

He says, "Reject ..."

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Good point inspiration Bro.

So, Mr. Peterson, you believe that God's instructions for healthy eating in the Old Testament are suddenly defunct in the New Testament?

Well, if the Pope, or whatever cultish figurehead you obtain your doctrine from (it certainly isn't God or His holy Word) tells you that consuming feces eating bottom feeders and trichinosis infected parasite hosts is the "spiritually enlightened" thing to do, then I guess you had better dig in!

Here are a some facts for you to chew on while you are chowing down on your bacon wrapped lobster. There is a certain group that follows the original diet given to Adam and Eve in Eden (the same diet that the saved will enjoy in heaven by the way). Among this group cancer is almost nonexistent and centenarians are plentiful.

Can you guess what group I am referring to? I'll give you a hint, it isn't Catholics or Evangelicals...

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

John 10:10

Just to be absolutely clear, I do not believe that eating a particular diet is the path to salvation. What matters is who we choose to follow.


Jesus comes to give us life.
Satan comes to give us death.

So, eating unhealthy food that God said is unclean and that we know shortens life is following which one?