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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1
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05/05/17 01:57 AM
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I think I replied to everything directed to me in this thread. If I missed something please send me a PM to point me to the post if you want me to comment on it.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1
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The Kingdom of God (i.e. the Church) An assumption. And if the church, which one? The "emerging church" of course! The ecumenical undivided church that incorporates spiritualism, Catholicism, Protestantism, in one "undivided" unity of thought (though still allowing diverse outward forms as long as they all recognize each other as equally part of the body). That's the church being touted by many today, as the "kingdom of God" to fill the earth. A misunderstanding of the kingdom of God is a foundational error of the emerging church. They believe that “the long-promised kingdom, spoken of by the Hebrew prophets, was established in provisional form with the coming of Jesus and the outpouring of His Spirit (Emerging Churches, p. 47). They believe it is to grow and fill the earth -- and we need to all get together, not worry about such divisive things like doctrines, and work to fully bring in the kingdom of God on earth. It's a “secular salvation” (that is the salvation of the planet and culture) within society, an experiential salvation based on feelings and mysticism , but no real understanding of salvation from sin, or doctrinal understanding of scripture. The pressure is on to push this "emerging church" upon the world. A sign we are near the end! Of course EGW's writings must be mocked and rejected -- for the message sent from God, through her, prophesized this counterfeit "church" would emerge and attempt to fill the whole earth, and that it was NOT the church of Jesus Christ. This whole idea of fusing churches together so-to-speak is the way of the world. But, this fusion has got to be forced! That is something we need to remember about globalism and the emerging church. They must be forced or they will never happen.
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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1
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His child, I noticed some similarities on World's Last Chance. By any chance are you familiar with them, and what do you think of them?
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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1
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His child, I noticed some similarities on World's Last Chance. By any chance are you familiar with them, and what do you think of them? Never heard of them.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1
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I think I replied to everything directed to me in this thread. If I missed something please send me a PM to point me to the post if you want me to comment on it. The alpha is A and the omega is W in Greek.
Yes, it appears like a "W" in "Greek". But what is omega in Latin/English?
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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1
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I think I replied to everything directed to me in this thread. If I missed something please send me a PM to point me to the post if you want me to comment on it. The alpha is A and the omega is W in Greek.
Yes, it appears like a "W" in "Greek". But what is omega in Latin/English? The comments that I have posted on Alpha & Omega (AW - WA) clearly express my current understanding.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1
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Q: Is there only one definition of Kingdom of God defined in the Bible?
THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM There is the gospel, the kingdom of heaven, likened unto leaven, or a growing mustard seed, etc. This gospel or kingdom of heaven, the word of God,introduces true goodness, righteousness, and peace into people's lives. This transforms the entire affections and purposes of the individual into conformity to the mind and will of God. This is the " gospel of the kingdom" which is being preached in all the world. Matt. 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom,
Matt. 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Jesus presents this truth in parables, using varied illustrations to show that this gospel would spread and change lives. THE GLORIOUS KINGDOM The gospel of the kingdom of heaven fits human beings for the glorious kingdom of heaven. The gospel of the kingdom is a spiritual awakening and connecting with Christ which purifies the life and ennobles the character and prepares the person to enter into the company of holy beings. The glorious kingdom is not of this world -- it is the eternal kingdom where there is no sin of any kind, no sickness, no death, but living in the glorious, visible presence of our Lord and Savior, in the world made new. That kingdom is establish on earth after the 1000 years. Matt. 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired...
Rev. 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven.
21:10 He showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light [was] like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.
21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1
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The gospel kingdom -- or "spiritual kingdom" the kingdom of grace, that we are to enter into NOW, is also called the "kingdom of light. Basically it is recognizing our Lord and Savior as KING of our lives.
The kingdom of light (being transformed by the gospel of truth in Christ) is contrasted to the kingdom of darkness (where satan is the prince of disobedience).
Col. 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which has made us fit to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
1:13 Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Shall we choose Christ as our Lord, and step from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light?
God's kingdom spans two phases --these are recognized in the Scriptures.
1. the kingdom of grace
2. the kingdom of glory.
Each speaks of a "throne".
Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
The throne of grace represents the kingdom of grace; for the existence of a throne implies the existence of a kingdom.
Matt. 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory,....
Matt. 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Here we see the throne of glory upon which Christ will sit when the kingdom of glory comes.
2. The message of the first advent announced the kingdom of grace.
Matthew 3:2 Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matt. 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Repentance is part of the kingdom of grace.
3. The message of the Second Advent announces the kingdom of glory.
Matt. 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven...and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
4. The Second Advent of Christ is a necessary factor in the setting up of the everlasting kingdom.
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
5. Those who respond to the call to kingdom of grace through the preaching of the gospel, will share in the glories kingdom of Glory.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him], that we may be also glorified together.
6. While the "gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world", and fill the earth with light, it will be spurned and rejected by the majority. There will be NO kingdom of glory in this world. Only after the 1000 will the kingdom of glory fill the earth when it is made new.
Matt 24:14-16 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them flee....
Rev. 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. ...Come out of her, my people.
Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1
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05/13/17 11:39 PM
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dedication I like your use of scripture to explain such an important topic. This makes "the message" much easier to grasp, in verity.  One "rejection of the testimonies" can be easily understood by Luke 17:26. As we know, unbelief on this text alone, would be just that. Thus the inhabitants of that long-lived race perished in the Flood, and even the beasts perished, except those that were in the ark. Christ said, “As it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.” Thus shall it be when Christ shall be revealed at His second coming. {CTr 58.3} When ever, and where ever it is shown how "the testimonies" do not contradict scriptures, there will then be a "message" and a "testimony" about that message. To reject such "testimonies" works against all that the church stands for.
"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance." "There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8) https://www.lightintheclouds.net/wordSincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit - The Wanderer
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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1
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Very true --
When people understand the bible they have no problem with EGW's testimonies, for they do NOT contradict scripture.
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