And to Henry's claim that if we reject what he is claiming, we reject present truth. Why is it only Henry that has come up with his interpretation? Has Henry always been right? NO! And that is a big problem, but he asks us to look at the time he was "right" which itself is questionable.

In the time leading up to 1844, there were many that were proclaiming the message from various parts of the world independently.

God has not passed His people by and chosen one solitary man here and another there as the only ones worthy to be entrusted with His truth. He does not give one man new light contrary to the established faith of the body. In every reform men have arisen making this claim. Paul warned the church in his day: "Of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." The greatest harm to God's people comes through those who go out from among them speaking perverse things. Through them the way of truth is evil spoken of. {5T 291.2}

And Henry's time setting has failed, and has that strengthened the church? NO!

I was searching through my writings before coming to this meeting, to see what I should take with me to Australia, and I found an envelope on which was written. "Testimony given in regard to time-setting. June 21, 1851. Preserve carefully." I opened it, and this is what I found. It reads, "A copy of a vision the Lord gave sister White June 21, 1851, at Camden, N. Y. The Lord showed me that the message must go, and that it must not be hung on time: for time will never be a test again. I saw that some were getting a false excitement, arising from preaching time, that the third angel's message can stand on its own foundation, and that it needs not time to strengthen it, and that it will go with mighty power, and do its work, and will be cut short in righteousness. {1888 959.1}

Where does Henry speak of the Gospel? I don't see it! The message for this time is all about God's Character. So many reject the testimony of Jesus about the Character of God. Henry speaks of the number of tweaks he has made, how the loud crier predicted this and that, and how we are to look at the number of times he was right, and are we to ignore when he was wrong?

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

The thing we are to preach is Christ. Oh that we could accept the kind of God that Christ has revealed!! There is the truth. There is was sets one free.

Me thinks that you read too much about what people write about me than what I actually post.



This link worked when my fact checker confirmed it 2 months ago. But I did not get it to work just now. So I did what you could have done rather than depending on others to do all the work.

I googled it.

<truman put in office jesuits>

These were the two top results. I underlined the data you want





I have read an article where the black pope brags that the Jesuits put Truman in office and another article that claims that Roosevelt was assassinated. The two events taken together make a case for the Jesuits manipulating the presidency to advance their agenda. And Truman had a papal visit in 1956 after leaving office.

Pointing people back to past history as the complete fulfillment of Bible prophecy that is being fulfilled now is turning them from Present Truth. That is not of God.




The Twitter archives have the evidence for all who choose to look (and there is more on this forum).

These are my tweets:








But you want to hold me to the standard of infallibility. That is a much higher standard than the pioneers were held to in 1843 & 1844.



Those who reject time prophecy to intervene between 1844 and Christ Advent have forgotten how God has led us in our past history. And those who fail to understand that Ellen White meant the day and hour of Christ's Return when she used the phrase "prophetic time" are teaching error when they teach that "prophetic time" means time prophecy...because Ellen White never used "prophetic time" to mean time prophecy.

But the evidence has been presented and I am not going to parley with you two on these points. I am willing to clarify if I was not clear or if something that I said got twisted so that I have to clarify. My handicap makes it difficult to get the thoughts out right sometimes. When they go into print, they look right then comes the comments and I realize that I was not clear. But that is as it is.

1844 was the right time. However Henry, you have been wrong on the most significant claims. Trump it president. That was not supposed to happen according to you.

And still, your claims are all about you. Is that the Gospel? Nope.

I agree with your statements about this APL When i ask for "evidence" I get something else. usually something to HCs self proclaimed pre eminence in Bible prophecy

APL,

That statement expresses your misunderstanding of my communications. But you can go back to the archives here on this forum and see that I told Mountain Man a year or two ago that a President may be in office after Obama, but that that President would not be in office until 19 January 2018 according to my understanding.

Because by Babylonian reckoning the king's reign went from New Years Day to New Years Day. If the next king happened to be in office for 360 days and another king happened to get into office on New Years Day then it would be as though the second king had never been.

In the American scenario, I used Inauguration Day for my calculation as the Babylonians used New Years Day. And now I'm studying the possibility of New Years Day being 1 January for the fulfillment of the prophecy.

So without following the conversation and my position that I have made very clear on this forum you are misrepresenting me and judging my statements out of context.

And the tone of some of the comments posted comes across more as those of the Accuser of the brethren rather than those of the loving Lord that invites us to reason together. It is true that steel sharpens steel, but we must be careful not to let steel cut a bruised reed from its stalk. The Spirit of the Lord will divide the bone and the marrow as the Lord allows His word to do the work that He ordains.

I am a truth seeker. I share what I find and hope that others will give me feedback that will bring light with it. That does not mean that they have to agree with me. But too often the feedback is criticism and misinformation, and tradition, and opinions that waste time but have very little value in a true study of the Scriptures.

It appears that some folks have judged me to be a fool and treat me like one. So they see no need to reason with me. I present a fact and they trample it asunder. Then when someone stops to read the exchange it is not inspiring to see what has been posted and by whom.

I agree!

In case someone is unaware ... all of our understandings of God's ways, prophecies, hearing correctly His voice when He personally reveal something to us, interpretating correctly what was heard or what current prophets heard or even what the prophets in the Bible heard -- all fall short. We (including Ellen White) have something wrong, missing, lacking, mis-understood, etc...

My point is we should have this basic understanding that we all have something wrong in many places. On top of that, we all have our blind spots. Only the Holy Spirit can correct these.

Also we are all growing in Jesus-Christ and Jesus promised that He will finish the work He began in us. Don't we believe in Jesus word -- that HC, dedication, kland, Alchemy, and all our other brothers and sisters here and elsewhere that Jesus will finish the work He began in them? I am 100% sure He will fulfill His word.

To me I see only brothers and sisters that for the time being have different roles in this plan of salvation(Rom 9). To our view many might seem to be a hopeless lost case; despite of our views, Jesus' word still stand and I believe He will finish His work in all of us as He swore, convenanted, promised, prophezied, many times in many ways in His Word to us.

Thus in any discussion to avoid to fall into being "an accuser of the brethren", what I think would be most productive and would benefit all of us is what HC, Ellen White, and many others has said in many ways -- correct errors with truth -- and scriptures should give us the parameters where this truth can be found.

And you have never accused people of anything, correct? If people do not see things the way you claim, you call them ignoring present truth. But the truth has not be at all evident in what you have said. What happens when January (what ever date) 2018 comes and nothing changes? Will you say again, the Pioneers in 1844 had it wrong, and you mis-understood? Your dates have failed, and I suspect the next one will fail also. But you will continue on the same track. And still, it is about your tweets, your ideas, and where is Christ in your discussion? Where is the final message to the world in your tweets? There is one that needs to be held up to the world, that is where we should be. Christ and His Character is what we need for this last days. Only that will get us through.

Looking back at some of the comments, here's a question:

Where does Ellen White make a correlation between Rev 13 and Dan 7 regarding "rising out of the earth"?


To say when the four beasts which arose after Daniel's time had anything to do with the U.S. thousands of years later is misinterpreting prophecy.

But that's not what you were saying at the last.
It may have been possible for Obama to remain.
That is past, now.
There is no reason to believe Obama would ever get put in place again. A vice president, possibly. But not Obama.

There is suggestions of Impeachment. But it won't be Obama who replaces him. And not likely impeachment will happen.

But if not Jan 19, what's the next date?
Spring Equinox?