Regarding President Truman

1) Being put into office by the Jesuits bonded him to the papal beast.

2) He came from the area (prophetic earth) that arose when the papacy was forced to desist from persecution in 1798.

3) The prophetic earth arose to prominence in 1803 IMMEDIATELY after the papacy fell.

4) France toppled the papacy and France doubled the size of the US to enable it to become a global superpower. Had the French kept the Louisiana Territory, America could never have become the superpower that it is if it had not been for France's actions in 1803.

5) Truman coming from the area of the prophetic earth and called fire down from heaven in the sight of eyewitnesses in WWII. This is an identifying feature of America it is not the final fulfillment of Bible prophecy that will take place in the endtime.

6) Reagan began placing SDI weapons in orbit (satellites that have the capability to use lasers to call fire down from the sky) they will be used to more fully fulfill the prophecy. Reagan also came from the area of the prophetic earth as did 7 of the 10 Presidents from Truman to Clinton. Reagan has enabled the last American President to fulfill the prophecy of calling fire down that Truman began to fulfill.

This does NOT make an America president a part of the Roman papal beast symbol in Revelation 13.
-- America has it's own symbolic symbol -- a second beast which is spoken of as ANOTHER beast in Rev. 13.
Truman was a president of America symbolized by this SECOND beast.

During the endtime these two beasts are contemporary, though the first has been around for centuries, lost power, and is revived (healed), while the 2nd beast is a relatively young power.

What the trend of presidents cozying up to the papacy does show is what I've said all along -- America will give it's power to help the first beast regain its power. It will subject itself to the papacy, and enforce papal dogma, but it does NOT become part of the papal beast. The symbols on the papal beast do not connote political powers on the 2nd beast.


Of course, Truman was a president of the United States, which had originally risen up in a sparsely populated continent.
But that does not make him part of the papal beast symbol. He is part of the 2nd beast -- and there is no list of presidents on that symbol.


No the prophetic "earth" never rose.
The symbol of "sea" typifies "heavily populated area on earth.
The symbol of "earth" typifies sparsely populated area on earth. It does NOT typify a nation.

The 2nd beast of Revelation 13 began to rise in 1776 when America became an independent nation. And slowly grew in prominence. True the papacy lost it's political power in 1798, but we do not look to the symbols on the papal beast to map out America's presidents.



The Franks were the "army" that gave its power to the papacy in 508. This enabled the papacy to control and enforce it's religion on the tribes of Europe for 1290 years. Yes, the same nation that supported the papacy during the "Holy Roman Empire" years, in 1798 ended the political power of the papacy. France never toppled the papacy itself -- but rather put another pope on the papal throne a year later. However, Napoleon did make a new code of laws removing their political power over all churches. They no longer had an "army" to enforce religion on the people.

The Louisiana Purchase was an important step in America's growth, but the connections you make are unfounded.

The Louisiana territory belonged to Spain. (True the French had claimed it 120 years earlier but had lost it to Spain before 1776)
The USA made a treaty with Spain "The Pinknye" treaty in 1795, feeling confident it would soon be theirs.

1801 Napoleon gets aggressive ideas and wants New Orleans and talks the Spanish into giving up the territory. Napoleon sent an army to St. Domingue in 1802, of course the Americans got worried.

President Jefferson prepares to fight the French army to drive them out, but first sends Monroe to try and negotiate with the French. Meanwhile, the French Army in St. Domingue was being decimated by yellow fever, and war between France and England still threatened. Napoleon decided to give up his plans for Louisiana, and offered Monroe and Livingston the entire territory of Louisiana for $15 million. That was 1803.

Don't thank the French --
If they would have simply stayed home those two=three years, the USA would have still gotten Louisiana from the Spanish eventually.




But you have these presidents coming from the 1st beast, not from the 2nd beast. So there again there is no connection.
Yes, Truman was a president of the USA during the WW2.
But by this time the USA was not really what one would call a sparsely settled land.

The symbolic "earth" is NOT the USA,
The first beast rose from the symbolic sea, not the symbolic earth.
The 2nd beast is symbolic of the USA.


Truman did NOT call fire down from heaven to deceive the world into worshipping the first beast (the papal beast).

This to me just shows that you do not understand the REAL message in Revelation 13.
The issue is WORSHIP and the 1st beast regaining power to enforce worship. The second beast gets the world to worship the first beast.
The fire from heaven will have heavy spiritual implications. It is not the dropping a bomb to end WW2.



There is absolutely NOTHING in scripture that says ten presidents rise from the 2nd beast.
Or that ten horns rise out of the earth.

What makes you so sure that this DECEPTIVE fire will be traceable to an airplane or a satellite?

From what I read in scripture and the testimonies these DECEPTIVE SIGNS will be supernatural.



What is that quote saying?

Satan gives people power to work supernatural miracles that imitate God's miracles.


That's the deceptive part of it.

To find real present truth compare scripture with scripture.
The REAL Divine miracle of fire from heaven was on Mt. Carmel, Elijah calls fire to come down and everyone declares "Jehovah He is God"!
Pentecost == tongues of fire come down from heaven and the disciples receive power to witness.

When this fire comes, the truth of God’s Word will be the only thing keeping God’s people from being deceived.

It is very possible that the fire from heaven will be a false Pentecost -- an outpouring of a false spirit that will deceive people into false worship. When people witness the miracles of counterfeit (un)holy spirits, they will be convinced that they are dealing with the power of God --

This fire will deceive the world...
It's probably already falling--lots of change things are already happening, but will yet fall in greater measure.

I see what i did now, and have no problem with this decision. I am not used to this forums software yet, and sometimes it generates so many quotes on quotes, its hard to tell whats what. Thats not a complaint, just a problem that I have. I will be more observant for this in the future.

I agree with this, and I would challenge HC to provide verifiable proof from Scripture that "The Jesuits" did in fact do this with/to/for President Truman

The first beast in Rev 13 is the papal beast. The evidence presented was that the horns (American Presidents) bonded with the heads of the papal beast (the popes).

The Louisiana Purchase doubled the size of America so much so that it facilitated America to become a global power like the papacy had been before it received its deadly wound. When the papacy arose it was the ranks (France) that started the process. Likewise France toppled the papacy in 1798. And France doubled the size of America to begin its rise to prominence.

7 of The American Presidents come from the area of the Louisiana Territory. They don'd come from the papacy They Bond with it to prepare the way for the decline of the papacy and the rise of the second beast.

The symbolic "earth" is sparsely inhabited area identified as the Louisiana Territory that joined to the USA.

Truman identifies the earth in this prophecy as America because he called fire down from heaven. EYEWITNESSES state that the bomb exploded 2000 ft above the ground and fire rained down on Japan.



That expresses my view of your narration as well.



Just because you are unaware of the Scriptures that identify the ten Presidents that arise from the earth is not an evidence that the Scriptures are not there. It is an evidence that you need to study a little deeper.



The SDI technology had its name changed to BMD by Clinton. And to something else by George Bush II. It was continuously developed at a cost of $10Billion/year for about 30 years and it was said to be moderately successful system but not the panacea that Reagan had promised. Then Bush II withdrew America from the ABM treaty because it restricted the US from implementing the SDI system.

Why would any President withdraw America from a treaty that forbids it from implementing as system that would not work?

Do a word study of deceptive as used in Revelation 13. The beast from the earth compels the "whole earth" to receive the Mark of the Beast. It deceives and compels obedience.



That quote is saying that God's miracles like Elijah calling fire down from heaven by the power of God will be copied by men like the magicians in Egypt did it in Moses day.

Some will spiritualize away the literal. But both applications are likely. And the evidence is there to substantiate the view that fire will literally be called down from heaven to compel the world to comply with America's demands.

Then go back to my post. I gave the reference where the black pope bragged about doing it.

The first beast of Rev.13 is the continuation of the fourth beast of Daniel 7 -- The Roman empire now manifested through the Roman papacy. It's ten horns are the European countries into which the Roman empire divided and where the papacy rose in their midst.

The horns as well as the lions mouth and bear feet are part of the Roman papal beast -- not part of the 2 horned beast.

The two-horned beast which arises about the time of the deadly wound of the first beast, is from the time of its rise contemporary with that ten-horned beast, which for a time loses it's political power. So the two-horned beast and the ten-horned beast are two distinct powers. Hence none of the ten horns, or the mouth or any part of the first beast, could constitute any part of two-horned beast.

That the two horned beast is becoming friends with the papal beast and helping it regain its power is true to the prophecy. But to turn parts of the papal symbolic beast into an American "beast" is false prophetic interpretation.




France did not double the size of America, America doubled its size with Louisiana purchase.

Study your history. Spain claimed Louisiana territory. America was already working on getting control of the territory when France had aggressive plans to reconquer the territory -- first making an agreement with Spain and then sending ONE army over to America.
America was raising an army to drive out the French soldiers -- they had no intentions of allowing France to get control of that territory. But circumstances were on the side of America. The French army stationed in America was being wiped out by yellow fever, while over in Europe the English were threatening France with war, so Napoleon, sensing the odds were totally against him, GAVE UP his ambitions for America.

America itself made the moves to that caused them to gain the Louisiana territory, the USA was and is a "beast" power in it's own right, and it is a wrong interpretation to make symbolic parts of the Roman papal beast, represent America.




The American presidents come from America and are NOT represented by any symbolic parts of the Roman papal beast.
Yes, they worked hard to help build America into a strong nation. But their increasing friendship with the papacy does not "prepare the way for the decline of the papacy and rise of the second beast", rather their friendship with the papacy is what helps heal the wound and restore the power of the papacy, and it will cause the ruin of America.

The prophecy shows that this second beast becomes friends with the papal beast (that's different than becoming parts of the symbolic Roman beast) The 2nd beast becomes friends with the 1st beast and causes the world to worship and copy the 1st beast. But it is always a distinct beast in its own right, never part of the symbolic Roman beast.




Again -- this interpretation does not fit the text. It's making one type of bomb prophetic, which neither deceived the world, or caused the world to worship the first beast.
Others could just as easily say the "blitz" warfare of Hitler was "calling fire down from heaven" as they dropped bomb incendiaries resulting in fire storms that devastated large areas.



There really is very little of the third angel's message in your interpretations. It's all about narrowing things down to "time", it is not dealing with the spiritual issues that constitute the third angel's message.

In fact I find everytime the spiritual issues are introduced, you side track the topic into your "Obama" is the last track.

Yet, Obama was NOT the last -- Trump has trumped your interpretation.


That study is based on too many wrong approaches to lead to a correct interpretation.




There are many strange things happening in the world today showing that the end of freedoms is at the door.
The whole satellite system is part of controlling the populations -- there is no doubt that the end of our freedoms is near.
That however, does not warrant the re-interpretation of the prophecies to make false claims based on which president will be the last.


Agree -- it will do so.
And we are on the brink of it happening,
But Truman didn't do that, even though, like other presidents he put down building blocks leading to the end time events, he didn't fulfill them.

Trying to base things on an individual president is just setting the stage to destroy people's faith in the prophecies -- BECAUSE they are being told a wrong interpretation is "present truth" and it failed.

Yes -- America is moving in alarming rapidity to fulfilling the Rev. 13 prophecy. All the presidents contributed to this final end.

Yes, America is getting very friendly with the first beast giving the papacy all kinds support and allowing their agents into the American government.

Yes, things are in place so in one stroke all freedoms can be repressed.

We are in the last days!

Yes, all types of deceptions are sweeping the world that are all working together to channel the populations into the last false worship to dishonor God and His law, while pretending to elevate spirituality and peace.

The problem with your interpretation is that you take some of these truths but then you have distorted the prophecy, mixing up the symbols, making your own interpretations take the place of the Biblical interpretations, and placing time restraints on the prophecy that fail, all of which give people reason not only to reject your version, but also to reject the true message.
And that is where the real danger is.

Which post HC?? Can you pls clarify specifically, or provide link?

Even if the Jesuits helped get Truman to be vice president, (knowing that Roosevelt was sick and the vice president was likely to be president before another election) this still does not make an American president a part of the Roman papal beast symbol in Revelation 13.
All it does is show the Jesuits are infiltrating and working to further the cause of popery in America.

The whole purpose of Jesuitism was to infiltrate and manipulate governments, education systems, religious bodies, etc. to make changes that would advance the cause of popery. We see this in ALL countries. It's amazing how many leaders in many countries were "trained" in Jesuit colleges and have Jesuit connections of some kind.
There is no question that Jesuits did this (and are doing this) in America with considerable and progressive success. They have been working tirelessly to subject American power under the commands of the papacy.

But this still does not make an American president a part of the roman papal beast symbol. It only shows that America was being infiltrated and influenced into her endtime role.

Revelation 13 does show the American symbolic "beast" working FOR the first beast, and doing things under the guidance of the first beast, to cause the world to worship the first beast.
To subjugate American power under the influence of the papacy is a prime goal of the Jesuits! They know when they accomplish that America will work for them in a powerful way.
The whole world will wonder after the 1st beast.

But the 2nd beast remains the 2nd beast, it does not merge into the first beast, nor do we look at the 1st beast for symbols of the second beast. They are separate "beast" symbols.
The ten horns, mouth and other parts of the Roman papal beast symbol are NOT symbols of the 2nd beast.