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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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05/25/17 12:55 AM
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2000 years is NOT soon. 
"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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05/25/17 02:11 AM
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2000 years is NOT soon. You are right. The reason why SDA jump hoops, hurdles, backwards and forwards and tie themselves up tightly in a knot is because Ellen White assured them that THEY (and no other) were the ones spoken of in Rev. 12:17, i.e. the Remnant. The book then, according to their darkened understanding, must be in SDA time and "soon" becomes meaningless, being both different for each SDA (when each one dies) and the same for all SDA (not seven years and He will come always not seven years and so on since 1844 ...) But the Book of Revelation of Jesus Christ (the TRUE Spirit of Prophecy) says plainly, "Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near." (Rev. 1:3) To those who first heard it, within a hundred years, that very generation was going to witness the events portrayed in it. And that is that. ///
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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05/25/17 02:52 AM
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"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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05/25/17 02:00 PM
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2 Pet. 3:15 "the long-suffering of our Lord is salvation".
2 Pet. 3:16 "some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction".
2 Pet. 3:17 "beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness".
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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05/25/17 02:45 PM
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Seventh-Day Adventists are the people of the prophecy. We are the people in the movement of advent of Jesus' second coming. I find a simple way to discern this fact from the study of the Book of Revelation. Study the phrase of " every nation, and kindred, and tongue and people", which appear seven times in Revelation. 1. Rev. 5:9 "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain and hast redeemed us to God by they blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation". 2. [/quote]Rev. 7:9 "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands". 3. Rev. 10:11 "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings". 4. Rev. 11:9 "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves". 5. Rev. 13:7 "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations". 6. Rev. 14:6 "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people". 7. Rev. 17:15 "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou safest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues". Each passage has a significance of worldwide application: 1. Blood of Christ is for worldwide 2. Resurrection is worldwide 3. Advent movement is worldwide by the entity of SDA 4. Bible, the Word of God is for worldwide 5. The Papacy controls worldwide 6. The three angels' message is for worldwide by the entity of SDA 7. The Papacy controls worldwide I believe SDA is the only church who will finish the work. There is no other church that exist and in the service of ministry, which operates in a worldwide scale. SDA is the only church firmly grounded in the pillars of truth. As you see, the #3 and #6 apply to SDA. Its counterpart is the Papacy, #5 and #7. The Papacy makes war with this remnant church, SDA. SDA is very strong in truth: the Papacy fears. That is why the unclean spirits of devils are uniting in Ecumenical movement to destroy the Sabbath keepers, the worldwide church.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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05/25/17 03:34 PM
05/25/17 03:34 PM
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Seventh-Day Adventists are the people of the prophecy. We are the people in the movement of advent of Jesus' second coming. I find a simple way to discern this fact from the study of the Book of Revelation.
Study the phrase of "every nation, and kindred, and tongue and people", which appear seven times in Revelation.
1.Rev. 5:9 "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain and hast redeemed us to God by they blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation".
2. Rev. 7:9 "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands".
3. Rev. 10:11 "And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings".
4. Rev. 11:9 "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves".
5. Rev. 13:7 "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations".
6. Rev. 14:6 "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people".
7. Rev. 17:15 "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou safest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues".
Each passage has a significance of worldwide application:
1. Blood of Christ is for worldwide
2. Resurrection is worldwide
3. Advent movement is worldwide by the entity of SDA
4. Bible, the Word of God is for worldwide
5. The Papacy controls worldwide
6. The three angels' message is for worldwide by the entity of SDA
7. The Papacy controls worldwide
I believe SDA is the only church who will finish the work. There is no other church that exist and in the service of ministry, which operates in a worldwide scale. SDA is the only church firmly grounded in the pillars of truth. As you see, the #3 and #6 apply to SDA. Its counterpart is the Papacy, #5 and #7. The Papacy makes war with this remnant church, SDA.
SDA is very strong in truth: the Papacy fears. That is why the unclean spirits of devils are uniting in Ecumenical movement to destroy the Sabbath keepers, the worldwide church.
That is laughable. It is so VERY wrong! Consider Acts 2:5 in the beginning of the Church of Jesus Christ (the TRUE Spirit of Prophecy) when the disciples were commissioned to preach the gospel to every nation, kindred, tongue and people. On the day of Pentecost in Jerusalem, this is what is written about those assembled there: " And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven." And so it began with the Jews and grew and grew towards the Gentiles, as Paul himself would tell the Jews, " Therefore let it be known to you that the salvation of God has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will hear it!" (Acts 28:28) The Church of Jesus Christ (the TRUE Spirit of Prophecy) did NOT begin in 1863 by the statute of men. And that is why Ellen White is VERY wrong. ///
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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05/26/17 01:16 PM
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Yah, God is humorous with me, James. You may laugh at my understanding but you have not proved substantial reasons, why the seven times of the same phrases written down in the book of Revelation. I definitely see a concept of worldwide in those phases.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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05/26/17 01:39 PM
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Yah, God is humorous with me, James. You may laugh at my understanding but you have not proved substantial reasons, why the seven times of the same phrases written down in the book of Revelation. I definitely see a concept of worldwide in those phases. Jesus Christ (the TRUE Spirit of Prophecy) said: " In [YOU] the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them'." -- Mat. 13:14-15///
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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05/29/17 01:55 PM
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The main points of the seven themes of "every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation":
1. Jesus’ blood is worthy to redeem people worldwide (Rev. 5:9).
2. Every soul who was born on earth will be resurrected to receive a reward. Resurrection will be a worldwide event (Rev. 14:13).
3. The message and truth of the Bible are for people worldwide (Rev. 11:9).
4. The commission to “prophesy again” is given to the worldwide Seventh-Day Adventist church (Rev. 10:11).
5. Three angels’ message is given to the worldwide SDA church (Rev. 14:6).
6. The Papacy, whose power extends worldwide, wages war with the saints (Rev. 13:7).
7. The Papacy exerts worldwide control (Rev. 17:15).
There are only two distinct worldwide churches that exist on earth: Seventh-Day Adventist vs. the Papacy. These two contending forces are inevitably headed for a clash, for one upholds the Bible truth, the other the counterfeit.
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Re: Seven Trumpets reconsidered
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05/29/17 06:03 PM
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\\\ The main points of the seven themes of "every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" are: - Jesus’ blood is worthy to redeem people worldwide (Rev. 5:9).
- Every soul who was born on earth will be resurrected to receive a reward. Resurrection will be a worldwide event (Rev. 14:13).
- The message and truth of the Bible are for people worldwide (Rev. 11:9).
- The commission to “prophesy again” was given to the Church in the first century (Rev. 10:11).
- Three angels’ message was given to the Church in the first century (Rev. 14:6).
- The Church of Jesus Christ (the TRUE Spirit of Prophecy), which was established in the first century, extends worldwide, waging spiritual warfare against unbelievers like Muslims and Atheists. (Rev. 13:7).
- The Church of Jesus Christ (the TRUE Spirit of Prophecy), which was established by Christ Himself in the first century - but NOT by the statute of men in 1863 -- will fall victim to oppression, suppression and frauds, but will be saved in the Second Advent.
There are only two distinct worldwide groups that exist on earth: the Church of Jesus Christ (the TRUE Spirit of Prophecy) VS the Unbelievers (Muslims, Atheists, etc). These two contending forces are inevitably headed for a clash, for one upholds the Gospel truth while the other opposes it. ///
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