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"One more thought. Ellen White is clear that the 10 horns or kings who give their power to the beast, the eighth head, are the Protestant denominations."

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Protestantism Unites with the Papacy, June 28

"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. Revelation 17:12, 13. Mar 187.1
As we approach the last crisis, it is of vital moment that harmony and unity exist among the Lord's instrumentalities. The world is filled with storm and war and variance. Yet under one head—the papal power—the people will unite to oppose God in the person of His witnesses. Mar 187.2
What is it that gives its kingdom to this power? Protestantism, a power which, while professing to have the temper and spirit of a lamb and to be allied to Heaven, speaks with the voice of a dragon. It is moved by a power from beneath." Mar 187.3

Every nation will be involved. Of this time John the Revelator declares: [Revelation 18:3-7, quoted]. {19MR 242.3}
"These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful" [Revelation 17:13, 14]. {19MR 242.4}
"These have one mind." There will be a universal bond of union, one great harmony, a confederacy of Satan's forces. "And shall give their power and strength unto the beast." Thus is manifested the same arbitrary, oppressive power against religious liberty, freedom to worship God according to the dictates of conscience, as was manifested by the papacy, when in the past it persecuted those who dared to refuse to conform with the religious rites and ceremonies of Romanism. {19MR 242.5}
In the warfare to be waged in the last days there will be united, in opposition to God's people, all the corrupt powers that have apostatized from allegiance to the law of Jehovah.

n the French Revolution from 1789-1793 overthrew the Roman Church in France, killed or exiled its monarchs, and established what they called a Republic. At the same time a Republican movement was gaining strength in Italy. When the republican agent, Hugo Basseville, was murdered in the streets of Rome in January 1793, the French government held the pope complicit in the murder. Alarmed, the pope joined a European coalition in 1795, sending 12,000 troops to fight against France and to bring it back under papal control.

In 1796 France sent Napoleon against Austria and Italy, easily defeating them. When Pope Pius VI refused to renounce political power, he took the aged pope captive and expelled the entire Roman curia. The pope later died in a French prison in Valence at the age of 82. As his health failed, Napoleon issued an order that no successor should be named. Even so, Napoleon allowed Pope Pius VII to be elected in Venice on March 14, 1800. His relationship with Napoleon was often stormy, and in fact, Napoleon imprisoned him as well from 1809-1813.

But by this time, Napoleon’s days were numbered, for he was greatly weakened by his disastrous invasion of Russia in 1812. He was forced to abdicate in 1814. The nations of Europe then met at the Congress of Vienna to “redraw the map of Europe” in what came to be known as the Holy Alliance (1815).

The “fatal wound” inflicted upon the first beast after 1,260 years occurred generally with the two popes being taken captive. Perhaps more important, however, was the captivity of the first pope, as there was no pope at all for a short time. But yet the Church came back to life, and the second beast gave its authority to the first, as Revelation 13:12 indicates. The financial powers made an alliance with the Roman church and, in fact, the Rothschild banks became the church’s money manager.

The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. X, tells us,

“It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.”

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12909-rothschild

In other words, the Rothschilds became the financial managers of Vatican’s wealth, holding the key to Rome’s money. When this arrangement began is not stated, but the article above implies that a Catholic bank, Union Générale, had been set up in 1876 as to compete with the Jewish Rothschild banks, hoping the Vatican would entrust them with their money. Why did the Roman church continue to utilize a Jewish bank rather than a Catholic bank?

One has to wonder about this curious arrangement. Were the Rothschilds providing the church a service? Or were they using their guardianship as leverage to keep control of the church?

he Illuminati was founded on May 1, 1776 by a Jesuit-trained professor of canon law named Adam Weishaupt. He had lost his job at Ingolstadt University when the Jesuits were dissolved in 1773. A group of Jewish bankers thought he might be useful to their cause against the Roman church, so they financed his Illuminati Order. He became a Freemason shortly afterward in 1777 in order to try to use it for his own purposes. He had no success until 1780, when Freiherr von Knigge joined his cause.

On July 16, 1782, at the Congress of Willhelmsbad, where representatives of all the secret societies were represented, “the alliance between Illuminism and Freemasonry was finally sealed” (Nesta Webster, World Revolution, p. 31). However, in 1785 an Illuminati messenger named Lanze was struck down by lightning, and instructions from the Order were found sown into the lining of his coat. Weishaupt’s plans were discovered, and the houses of Swack and Bassus were raided. Authorities seized incriminating evidence, and these documents were made public under the name of The Original Writings of the Order of the Illuminati (1787).

The Order was officially suppressed and was forced to go underground. The French Revolution continued as planned a few years later, but largely without Weishaupt’s direct leadership. Having been exposed, he was watched carefully. His sponsors found other leaders to carry out the plan.

Mendelssohn and Rothschild

There are many articles and some books which claim that the Rothschilds financed Weishaupt in launching the Illuminati in 1776. However, the original founder of the House of Rothschild, Mayer Amschel Bauer, did not come into any serious wealth until 1796-1798, some years after the French Revolution had concluded. Although he and his sons played a large role in the time of the earth beast in the next two centuries, it was not Rothschild money or planning which launched the Illuminati at its start.

According to Pawns in the Game, written by the Canadian Naval Commander William Guy Carr, Weishaupt was funded by Moses Mendelssohn, a very wealthy Jewish banker in his acquaintance. There seems to be no doubt the Jewish bankers would have benefited from the overthrow of the Church in France—as well as giving them financial control over Freemasonry in Europe. However, they usually contented themselves with remaining in the background and simply helping the enemies of their great rival power, the Roman Church.

First of all, Carr tells us that Mayer Amschel Bauer, who later took the surname Rothschild, was a poor man at first. On page 25 he says,

“A few years after his father’s death, Amschel Mayer Bauer was employed by the Oppenheimer Bank as a clerk.”

This tells us that the Rothschild family did not inherit any wealth from previous generations, for if they had inherited wealth, Mayer would have been hiring others to work in a bank of his own. Instead, we find him a mere bank clerk working for another wealthy Jewish banking family. The Oppenheimers were already wealthy bankers, along with Moses Mendelssohn and others.

In the two biographical volumes, The House of Rothschild, by Niall Ferguson, he says the Rothschilds did not have much wealth in the 1770’s. Their wealth came primarily after Mayer Amschel developed a relationship with Prince William IX of Landgrave, after he came to the throne in 1785—nine years after the Illuminati was founded (1776). Niall Ferguson writes in Vol. I, page 61,

“The truth was that, despite his efforts to gain a foothold at William’s court while he was still residing in Hanau, Mayer Amschel was still to all intents and purposes a nobody when the new Landgrave moved north to Kassel on his father’s death in 1785.”

We also learn that Mayer Amschel’s financial rise came after he met Karl Friedrich Buderus, who had moved to Kassel in 1792. Buderus had gotten his start by tutoring William’s illegitimate children. In Vol. 1, page 62 we read,

“The first sign of tacit co-operation between Buderus and Rothschild came in 1794 when the former explicitly recommended that Mayer Amschel be allowed to join five established firms in bidding for the sale of 15,000 of English bills. Evidently, his recommendation was ignored, but Buderus tried again in 1796 and this time succeeded.”

Hence, Rothschild was unable to break into the banking world until 1796. Prior to that he was a middle-class coin dealer. Ferguson again says on page 45,

“However, the speed with which Mayer Amschel’s wealth grew in the 1790s marked a real break with his earlier business activity. At the beginning of the 1790s Mayer Amschel Rothschild was no more than a prosperous antique-dealer. By 1797 he was one of the richest Jews in Frankfurt, and a central part of his business was unmistakably banking. The evidence for this breakthrough is unequivocal. In 1795 the official figure for Mayer Amschel’s taxable wealth was doubled to 4,000 gulden; a year later he was moved into the top tax bracket, with property worth more than 15,000 gulden; and in the same year he was listed as the tenth richest man in the Judengasse with taxable wealth of over 60,000 gulden. Thanks largely to Mayer Amschel, the Rothschilds had become one of the eleven richest families in the Judengasse by 1800.”

Mayer Amschel had been a moderately successful antique coin dealer and small-time stock broker, but had nowhere near the wealth of his contemporary Jewish bankers in the 1770’s. And so, while the Rothschilds ultimately rose to positions of world power, it is very unlikely that Mayer Amschel Bauer, the Rothschild patriarch, played any significant role in the French Revolution of 1789. And he had no money to finance Adam Weishaupt and his Illuminati in 1776. His role came later after rising in wealth that gave him respect among his wealthy Jewish peers.

Besides Moses Mendelssohn, Weishaupt associated with other Jewish bankers. Nesta Webster says on page 228 of her book, Secret Societies and Subversive Movements,

“It has frequently been suggested that his [Weishaupt’s] real inspirers were Jews, and the Jewish writer Bernard Lazare definitely states that ‘there were Jews, Cabalistic Jews, around Weishaupt.’ A writer in La Vieille France went so far as to designate these Jews as Moses Mendelssohn, Wessely, and the bankers Itzig, Friedlander, and Meyer. But no documentary evidence has ever been produced in support of these statements.”

Webster does not even list Rothschild among the known associates of Weishaupt. She writes on page 230,

“Whether, then Weishaupt was directly inspired by Mendelssohn or any other Jew must remain for the present an open question. But the Jewish connexions of certain other Illuminati cannot be disputed. The most important of these was Mirabeau, who arrived in Berlin just after the death of Mendelssohn and was welcomed by his disciples in the Jewish salon of Henrietta Herz. It was these Jews, ‘ardent supporters of the French Revolution’ at its outset, who prevailed on Mirabeau to write his great apology for their race under the form of a panegyric of Mendelssohn.”

The Jewish Encyclopedia’s article on Freemasonry says, “Jews have been most conspicuous in connexion with Freemasonry in France since the Revolution.” No doubt this influence was purchased by financial support. Nor was this influence only monetary. In the late 1700’s the basic three degrees of Freemasonry was expanded to 33 degrees, culminating (in the 32nd degree) with teachings directly from the Jewish Cabala. Anyone who has studied Albert Pike’s Morals and Dogma can see plainly that the upper degrees of the Scottish Rite (from the 26th to the 32nd degree) teach directly out of the Cabbala, the mystical Jewish writings.

In other words, the plain goal of Masonry is to Judaize non-Jews in the upper degrees. This, in turn, was designed to prepare them for the more “enlightened” (i.e., Satanic) degrees in more secretive organizations that stood above the 33rd degree of Freemasonry.

Weishaupt’s Successors

Perhaps the most revealing evidence of Weishaupt’s Jesuit connection is found in the same article in The Catholic Encyclopedia. There we learn that this same man who continually expressed utter contempt and hatred for the Church, died in 1830 as a reconciled Roman Catholic!! It reads:

“As early as 16 February 1785, Weishaupt had fled from Ingolstadt, and in 1787 he settled at Gotha. . . After 1787 he renounced all active connexion with secret societies, and again drew near to the Church, displaying remarkable zeal in the building of the Catholic church at Gotha. He died on 18 November 1830, ‘reconciled with the Catholic Church, which as a youthful professor, he had doomed to death and destruction’—as the chronicle of the Catholic parish in Gotha relates.”

The article above is unclear as to when Weishaupt reconciled with the church. It just says that this happened “after 1787,” shortly after the Illuminati had been exposed and officially suppressed. His reconciliation with the Roman church, which he had professed to hate for so many years, is difficult to believe, unless it was part of the overall “holy alliance” between the Masonic kings and the popes. In other words, the alliance made room for Freemasons within Catholicism itself, though officially they remained at odds, and this probably gave Weishaupt opportunity to do his revolutionary work in a safer environment within the Roman church.

When the Illuminati Order was suppressed officially in 1785, Weishaupt’s exposure ended his primary usefulness. Most Freemasons left the Illuminati. Weishaupt’s mission suffered a huge setback. Nonetheless, the French Revolution continued as planned, showing that the plot to overthrow France was bigger than Weishaupt. In fact, it was carried out, not under the direction of Weishaupt’s Illuminati, but under the watchful eye of the Masonic monarchs, who led the lodges in each of their countries.

Even so, The Illuminati organization continued covertly under new names. We do not know if Weishaupt himself was a Satanist, but certainly his successors were. Weishaupt remained as the secret head of the Illuminati until his death in 1830. In 1834 he was succeeded by Giusseppe Mazzini of Italy (1805-1872), a 33rd degree Mason. Mazzini’s Luciferian protégé in America, Albert Pike, was fast-tracked in 1859 to become the head of Scottish Rite Freemasonry that was based in Charleston, SC.

Albert Pike set up five strategic Councils around the world: Washington D.C., Montevideo (South America), Napes (Italy), Calcutta (India), and Mauritius (Africa). He conspired with Mazzini, Lord Henry Palmerston of England (1784-1865, 33rd degree Mason), and Otto von Bismarck from Germany (1815-1898, 33rd degree Mason).

When Mazzini died in 1872, Pike appointed Adriano Lemmi, a banker from Florence, Italy to head up their subversive European activities until his death in 1896. The fact that Pike was able to appoint Lemmi shows that Pike himself was, by this time, the (hired) head of the Illuminati organization as a whole. It had not disappeared when Weishaupt was exposed, nor did Weishaupt cease his secret activities. He simply found opportunity to work covertly within the Roman church to give the appearance of piety and philanthropy (in building a church). One might also ask where he accumulated enough money to finance building a church. It seems probable that he was receiving regular dues from members of a secret organization.

Weishaupt’s reconciliation with the church was part of a general plan for Freemasons to remain as Catholics and eventually to rise to leadership positions. Rather than keep the two sides distinct, we find thereafter many Catholic Freemasons, and by the twentieth century we even see Freemason popes leading the church. This is the ultimate result of the Holy Alliance.

In our (SDA) view God breaks this pattern and somehow uses another body to put back the previous BEAST in power. Then the dominion hasn't changed hands. We are basically saying the first BEAST of Revelation still rules.

There are more than one beast and a beast of beasts.

It appeared to me you group all the beasts together. There are beasts in Daniel, and there are beasts in Revelation 12, 13, 17....
They aren't all the same.

4. Protestantism did not cause the fatal wound but the Illuminati : History doesn't show that protestanism inflicted the fatal wound.

We know that Napoleon was a freemasson; however Massonry was already infiltrated by the Illuminati created by Weishaupt who was at the time a Jesuit which was founded by Loloya, who was Jewish and part of a secret Zionist sect.

Who's the woman that rides the sea BEAST(=the RCC) in Rev 17?

My understanding bytaking many unfulfilled prophecies into account and current events since the 1800 that it is this Zionist movement and spirit who is a false bride,a harlot who always believed that they retained their "chosen" priviledges despite of all their lawlessness deeds and their rejection of Jesus who was given the scepter at his 1st coming. They were the evil fig tree in Jeremiah 24. Jesus prophecied that this evil fig tree at the cursing of the fig tree (Mat 21) that represented those who rejects Christ would bear once again some leàves later but not any fruits.

And this scenario is taking place since 1948 with the Balfour declaration after WWII when the Rothchild schemed for England to give a "home land" for the Jews. This piece of the Zionist movement led by the Elites of that Jewish off-shoot deranged sect who is desperately trying to establish their one world order via wars and force. But as Jesus told them in the parable of the vineyard in Mat 20 that the kingdom will be taken away from them and given to someone else.

This is we're we stand...not only the destruction of the 1st BEAST (=RCC) but also the destruction of the earthly(carnal) Jerusalem that will expose the whore -- the false bride -- who are these Zionist.

Just a important note... Most Jews are NOT Zionist.

These Zionist Jews are not Jews and are from the synagogue of Satan Rev 2:9;3:9 and still offer child sacrifices today to Satan.

A strong case can be made that the ten horns represent ten nations (or an inclusive all nations) in which the people once embraced the protestant gospel truth, but have since slide back and are willing to support the papacy with civil power.
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What is it that gives its kingdom to this power [Rome]? Protestantism, a power which while professing to have the temper and spirit of a lamb, and to be allied to heaven, speaks with the voice of a dragon. It is moved by a power from beneath. {Lt232-1899.22}