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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000
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Yes, the Adventist message is that since 1844, we are living "in the time of the end" in the "hour of His judgment". No, Adventists do not forget that the "hour of His judgment" and the "time of the end" will come to a sudden, final end in the close of probation and the coming of Jesus Christ. But unlike you, HC, they do not presume to know that which God has not revealed. But the pen of inspiration has revealed that when the judgment hour is finished, probation is closed. This you seem to be denying. Yet you are continually trying to force a time frame on the end of probation and the coming of our Lord and Savior. This we are NOT TO DO. The announcement, “The hour of his Judgment is come,” points to the closing work of Christ's ministration for the salvation of men. It heralds a truth which must be proclaimed until the Saviour's intercession shall cease, and he shall return to the earth to take his people to himself. The work of judgment which began in 1844, must continue until the cases of all are decided, both of the living and the dead; hence it will extend to the close of human probation.
God has not revealed to us the time when this message will close or when probation will have an end. Those things that are revealed we shall accept for ourselves and for our children, but let us not seek to know that which has been kept secret in the councils of the Almighty.
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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000
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The announcement, “The hour of his Judgment is come,” points to the closing work of Christ's ministration for the salvation of men. It heralds a truth which must be proclaimed until the Saviour's intercession shall cease, and he shall return to the earth to take his people to himself. The work of judgment which began in 1844, must continue until the cases of all are decided, both of the living and the dead; hence it will extend to the close of human probation.
God has not revealed to us the time when this message will close or when probation will have an end. Those things that are revealed we shall accept for ourselves and for our children, but let us not seek to know that which has been kept secret in the councils of the Almighty. This is what I have been telling you, but you are not hearing. Though no man knoweth the day nor the hour of His coming, we are instructed and required to know when it is near. We are further taught that to disregard His warning, and refuse or neglect to know when His Advent is near, will be as fatal for us, as it was for those who lived in the days of Noah not to know when the flood was coming. GC88 370.2 We have passed the 11th hour that began with President Reagan and ended with President Obama. The 12 hr is upon us beginning with President Trump and ending with President Pence as I understand the prophecies. But you don't know the time of your visitation and are soothing others who would awaken if you would work the work that God would have you to do. The hour allotted to judge the dead has ended. the time allotted to judge the living has ended. The final judgment work of sealing the saints is soon to close but the urgency of preparing to meet our God is not heard from your lips.
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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000
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04/02/18 07:58 PM
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He makes the "Alpha" an "A" and the Omega a "W" Then says presidents which have first a "W" in their name and then an "A" in their name is an "Alpha and Omega".
The whole idea is odd, but especially odd and not worth considering anymore given he hasn't accepted, A is for Alpha, O is for Omega and not "W". "The word literally means "great O"."
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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000
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04/03/18 04:53 AM
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Accepting A for Alpha, and W for Omega -- Not just odd, but inconsistent. The first is transliteration, the second is NOT transliteration.
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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000
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04/03/18 05:30 AM
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HC wrote= "This is what I have been telling you, but you are not hearing"
No, what is in those quotes is not what you've been telling me. Those quotes are saying, when the judgment ends, probation is closed.
Yet, you have the judgment already ended, based on your non Biblical ideas of certain presidents. You have probations end taking place before we are to do the "work God wants us to do".
If the judgment is ended which means probation is closed, then the day is past and the work is finished.
BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE --
Yes, now while the judgment and probation are still open, the sealing work is to be done -- we must come to Christ in faith and full commitment -- and bring others to Him.
NOW while Christ is still in the Most Holy Place presenting the names of the saved before the Father, we are to work to share the TRUE MESSAGE == not the confused ever failing predictions you claim are the "truth".
The unaltered message has power, but when loaded down with confusion, it loses that power. You really should stop all this speculation on who is the last president! It was hoped that after ANOTHER failure, you would stop trying to identify the "last president" but no, again you come back with a revised time frame, again predicting the "last president". Why not stick to the signs that show we are in the last time, they are all around us! But those signs are NOT dependent on WHO is the last president or pope -- men in office can change in a day -- but the fact we are in the end time stays consistent no matter who is in those chairs.
Who knows -- this time you may have over reached. EGW warns us concerning people with messages like yours -- who continual set up their time frames and fail, and finally end up setting their time line too far in the future. Pence may never be president.
It may be you that is putting people to sleep.
The message has always been one of "Today is the day of salvation".
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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000
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04/03/18 11:27 AM
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HC wrote= "This is what I have been telling you, but you are not hearing"
No, what is in those quotes is not what you've been telling me. Those quotes are saying, when the judgment ends, probation is closed.
Yet, you have the judgment already ended, based on your non Biblical ideas of certain presidents. You have probations end taking place before we are to do the "work God wants us to do".
If the judgment is ended which means probation is closed, then the day is past and the work is finished.
BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE --
Yes, now while the judgment and probation are still open, the sealing work is to be done -- we must come to Christ in faith and full commitment -- and bring others to Him.
NOW while Christ is still in the Most Holy Place presenting the names of the saved before the Father, we are to work to share the TRUE MESSAGE == not the confused ever failing predictions you claim are the "truth".
The unaltered message has power, but when loaded down with confusion, it loses that power. You really should stop all this speculation on who is the last president! It was hoped that after ANOTHER failure, you would stop trying to identify the "last president" but no, again you come back with a revised time frame, again predicting the "last president". Why not stick to the signs that show we are in the last time, they are all around us! But those signs are NOT dependent on WHO is the last president or pope -- men in office can change in a day -- but the fact we are in the end time stays consistent no matter who is in those chairs.
Who knows -- this time you may have over reached. EGW warns us concerning people with messages like yours -- who continual set up their time frames and fail, and finally end up setting their time line too far in the future. Pence may never be president.
It may be you that is putting people to sleep.
The message has always been one of "Today is the day of salvation".
My dear dedication The close of probation is not the same thing as the end of the Investigative Judgment. The time allotted for the Judgment ends, then a short time later probation closes. They are different phases of the Judgment process. If you understood the Judgment process, you would not be having such a difficulty as to misconstrue what Ellen White is saying. But when you force fit her words into your own understanding and then apply your view as though it is what she is saying, confusion must follow. The time allotted to the Judgment continues for a specific duration. The Judgment begins with the dead for the allotted hour. The Judgment moves from the dead to the living for the allotted hour. Probation ends and Then the Judgment moves to the distribution phase, where the rewards are given to those who have been judged. When the time allotted for the Judgment of the Living ended, the cases of all were current. Their lives were measured against the Law of God and the Life of Jesus. The names of all were written in the book of life or death. Thus as each newborn is entered into the books and the books at updated moment by moment day by day until the phase of the Judgment when the rewards are bestowed. The sealing time is the phase of the Judgment when those who have been Judged are sealed for salvation. The seal of God cannot be on the disobedient. The manifestation of the seal of God will be seen when Presidents Trump and Pence implement the global Mark of the beast. Those who forsake the Commandment of God to not take the Mark will seal themselves for destruction: those who obey the Command of God to refuse the Mark will be sealed for everlasting life. The work of the Holy Spirit is to convince the world of sin, of righteousness and of judgment. The world can only be warned by seeing those who believe the truth sanctified through the truth, acting upon high and holy principles, showing in a high, elevated sense, the line of demarcation between those who keep the commandments of God, and those who trample them under their feet. The sanctification of the Spirit signalizes the difference between those who have the seal of God, and those who keep a spurious rest-day. When the test comes, it will be clearly shown what the mark of the beast is. It is the keeping of Sunday. Those who after having heard the truth, continue to regard this day as holy, bear the signature of the man of sin, who thought to change times and laws. {BTS, December 1, 1903 par. 6} When the work of the investigative judgment closes, the destiny of all will have been decided for life or death. Probation is ended a short time before the appearing of the Lord in the clouds of heaven. Christ in the Revelation, looking forward to that time, declares: " He that is unjust, let him be unjust still; and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still, and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still; and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." {GH, August 1, 1910 par. 7}
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000
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04/03/18 01:53 PM
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Dare I ask what you think "the mark" is?
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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000
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04/06/18 01:54 AM
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The close of probation IS the same thing as the end of the Investigative Judgment. The destiny of all will have been decided. The judgment of the living includes a current "updating" of the books, or "change of status" as long as Jesus is still doing the work of judgment and intercesion, but once the judgment of the living is ended, there is no more "updating". The door of mercy shut. The work of bringing people to Christ will be finished.
When Christ ends his work in the Most Holy, that IS the close of probation which is also the same thing as the end of the Investigative Judgment. Christ then prepares to come to earth. So yes, probation ends a short time before Christ appears in the clouds of glory. The full force of the seven last plagues fall after probation has closed and every persons future is eternally set; there is no more "witnessing" nor "converting". And when He comes the reward of eternal life is given to all the saved.
We are in the eleventh hour -- when midnight strikes it will be too late to change. The judgment has NOT yet ended, the door is still open, now is the time to invite people to fully accept Christ our Savior. When the judgment ends we MUST have that precious seal, there is no time after the end of the judgment to get the sealing oil, and think we can still be sealed, we must have it NOW, before the judgment ends, or we will not stand during the seven last plagues.
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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000
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04/06/18 07:54 PM
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For His child,
At the last "Trump", The "Trump" shall sound. The "Trump" of God.
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Re: Daniel 9 and the 144,000
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04/07/18 12:54 PM
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The close of probation IS the same thing as the end of the Investigative Judgment. The destiny of all will have been decided. The judgment of the living includes a current "updating" of the books, or "change of status" as long as Jesus is still doing the work of judgment and intercesion, but once the judgment of the living is ended, there is no more "updating". The door of mercy shut. The work of bringing people to Christ will be finished.
When Christ ends his work in the Most Holy, that IS the close of probation which is also the same thing as the end of the Investigative Judgment. Christ then prepares to come to earth. So yes, probation ends a short time before Christ appears in the clouds of glory. The full force of the seven last plagues fall after probation has closed and every persons future is eternally set; there is no more "witnessing" nor "converting". And when He comes the reward of eternal life is given to all the saved.
We are in the eleventh hour -- when midnight strikes it will be too late to change. The judgment has NOT yet ended, the door is still open, now is the time to invite people to fully accept Christ our Savior. When the judgment ends we MUST have that precious seal, there is no time after the end of the judgment to get the sealing oil, and think we can still be sealed, we must have it NOW, before the judgment ends, or we will not stand during the seven last plagues.
Those who would share the benefits of the Saviour's mediation should permit nothing to interfere with their duty to perfect holiness in the fear of God. The hours heretofore given to pleasure, to display, or to gain-seeking, should now be devoted to an earnest, prayerful study of the word of truth. The subject of the sanctuary and the investigative Judgment should be clearly understood by the people of God. All need a knowledge for themselves of the position and work of their great High Priest. Otherwise, it will be impossible for them to exercise the faith essential at this time, or to occupy the position which God designs them to fill. {4SP 312.3} Probation is not yet closed; the saints are not yet sealed. {1888 697.3} Can God place the seal of God on those who have not been Judged? Thus the Judgment Hour must end before the final sealing commences. When the third angel's message closes, mercy no longer pleads for the guilty inhabitants of the earth. The people of God have accomplished their work. They have received "the latter rain," "the refreshing from the presence of the Lord," and they are prepared for the trying hour before them. Angels are hastening to and fro in heaven. An angel returning from the earth announces that his work is done; the final test has been brought upon the world, and all who have proved themselves loyal to the divine precepts have received "the seal of the living God." Then Jesus ceases His intercession in the sanctuary above. He lifts His hands and with a loud voice says, "It is done;" and all the angelic host lay off their crowns as He makes the solemn announcement: "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." Revelation 22:11. Every case has been decided for life or death. Christ has made the atonement for His people and blotted out their sins. The number of His subjects is made up; "the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven," is about to be given to the heirs of salvation, and Jesus is to reign as King of kings and Lord of lords. {GC 613.2} Mark this point with care: Those who receive the pure mark of truth, wrought in them by the power of the Holy Ghost, represented by a mark by the man in linen, are those "that sigh and cry for all the abominations that are done" in the church. Their love for purity and the honor and glory of God is such, and they have so clear a view of the exceeding sinfulness of sin, that they are represented as being in an agony, even sighing and crying. Read Ezekiel, chapter nine. {RH, September 23, 1873 par. 5} The Lord reads the heart as an open book. The men who are not connected with God have done many things after the imagination of their own evil hearts. The Lord declares concerning them, "They have turned unto Me their back, and not the face, though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them; yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction." We are amid the perils of the last days, the time will soon come when the prophecy of Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled; that prophecy should be carefully studied, for it will be fulfilled to the very letter. Study also the tenth chapter which represents the hand of God as at work to bring perfect method and harmonious working into all the operations of his prepared instrumentalities. The eleventh and twelfth chapters also should receive critical, thoughtful attention. Let these prophecies be studied on your knees before God; unless you take up the stumbling-blocks which by your own perverse spirit you have laid in the way of many who have been connected with you, God will turn His face utterly from you and your associates. {1888 1303.1}
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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