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Re: Bible Questions & Answers / Facts That We Can All Agree With
[Re: Daryl]
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05/26/18 12:51 AM
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It is obvious that the devil after successfully tempting Eve, used Eve to successfully tempt Adam. So what is the next question, Daryl? We know that the devil using the serpent, as in making it appear that the serpent was actually speaking in the the devil by having taken possession of the serpent, tempted and was successful in deceiving Eve, but who tempted Adam?
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Re: Bible Questions & Answers / Facts That We Can All Agree With
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05/29/18 03:40 PM
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The issue isn't whether it was a man or a woman; men can fall into the same trap and become instruments for the deceiver just as readily as to what happened to Eve. Rather the issue is that anyone who listens to the deceiver endangers not only their own spiritual life, but also the spiritual lives of their companions.
By listening and believing the deceiver in direct contradiction to the love and the command of God, Eve changed her allegiance from God and became an instrument for the deceiver.
Luke 11:23 [Jesus said] He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
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Re: Bible Questions & Answers / Facts That We Can All Agree With
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06/03/18 12:55 AM
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So, what is the next question?
If we follow the Genesis sequence we would now be at the point of where God appears to the disobedient pair.
Why did they run and hide?
How did they try to defend themselves?
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Re: Bible Questions & Answers / Facts That We Can All Agree With
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06/05/18 04:51 AM
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Why did they run and hide? Somehow the words of the serpent were already recognized as false! Where was the higher existence and opening of the eyes and becoming like gods, that the serpent had promised? But no -- they had not become like God by eating the fruit, Yes, their eyes were opened and they saw their utter lack of a covering. Now they suddenly feared God, they KNEW God was far greater than they, and they had violated a sacred trust and disobeyed. They didn't want to face Him. So they ran and hid. How did they try to defend themselves? By deflection -- not taking responsibility for their own action they passed the blame onto someone else. Adam -- it's the woman You Lord gave to me -- she made me do it. Eve -- it's the serpent you created, he made me do it.
Like Adam, we have reason to be afraid of approaching to God, if we are not covered and clothed with the righteousness of Christ. Sin appears most plainly in the glass of the commandment. But instead of acknowledging the sin in its full extent, and taking shame to themselves, Adam and Eve excuse the sin, and lay the shame and blame on others. There is a strange proneness in those that are tempted, to say, they are tempted of God; as if our abuse of God's gifts would excuse our breaking God's laws.
Learn hence, that Satan's temptations are all beguilings; his arguments are all deceits; his allurements are all cheats; when he speaks fair, believe him not. It is by the deceitfulness of sin the heart is hardened. See Ro 7:11; Heb 3:13. But though Satan's subtlety may draw us into sin, yet it will not justify us in sin. Though he is the tempter, we are the sinners. Let it not lessen our sorrow for sin, that we were beguiled into it; but let it increase our self-indignation, that we should suffer ourselves to be deceived by a known cheat, and a sworn enemy, who would destroy our souls.
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Re: Bible Questions & Answers / Facts That We Can All Agree With
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06/21/18 10:01 PM
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This brings us to God's response in Genesis 3:14-15 quoted below:
Genesis 3:14 KJV And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Was this the first time that the Plan of Salvation was revealed to them?
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Re: Bible Questions & Answers / Facts That We Can All Agree With
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06/22/18 04:22 AM
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According to Patriarchs and Prophets:
To man the first intimation of redemption was communicated in the sentence pronounced upon Satan in the garden. The Lord declared, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Genesis 3:15. PP 65
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Re: Bible Questions & Answers / Facts That We Can All Agree With
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This brings us to God's response in Genesis 3:14-15 quoted below:
Genesis 3:14 KJV And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Was this the first time that the Plan of Salvation was revealed to them? God was speaking to the serpent in the Garden of Eden, He was taking away the gifts bestowed upon it for all its generations to come: " Because you have done this," He said to the serpent, "you are cursed more than all cattle, and more than every beast of the field. On your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life. And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." So then: - The serpent was placed under woman.
- And the woman was placed under man.
- And the man was placed in dust.
Such was the terrible curse that befell them and their descendants, even unto us and those yet to come, until the end of time. However, Revelation 12 takes up the Genesis narrative in apocalyptic form in hope: - A woman, being with child, cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron.
- Her Child was caught up to God and His throne. And war broke out there in heaven: the Child and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.
- Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the dragon has been cast down." And the followers of the Child on earth overcame the dragon too:
by the blood of the Child, and
by the word of their testimony, and
they did not love their lives to the death.
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Re: Bible Questions & Answers / Facts That We Can All Agree With
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06/22/18 02:27 PM
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According to Patriarchs and Prophets:
To man the first intimation of redemption was communicated in the sentence pronounced upon Satan in the garden. The Lord declared, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Genesis 3:15. PP 65
This idea ("Protoevangelium") is not original to EGW, but has been a common understanding since at least Justin Martyr and Irenaeus. I do suspect, however, a certain influence of "Monday-morning quarterbacking" at the root of it.
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: Bible Questions & Answers / Facts That We Can All Agree With
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06/23/18 02:47 AM
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Interesting discussion resulting on the sequence of Revelation 12, which can continue at Structure in Prophetic Writing Some of the posts have been moved there.
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Re: Bible Questions & Answers / Facts That We Can All Agree With
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06/23/18 03:30 AM
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According to Patriarchs and Prophets:
To man the first intimation of redemption was communicated in the sentence pronounced upon Satan in the garden. The Lord declared, "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Genesis 3:15. PP 65
This idea ("Protoevangelium") is not original to EGW, but has been a common understanding since at least Justin Martyr and Irenaeus. Yes, I agree, the concept that this was the first announcement of the plan of salvation was actually quite widely held. That was prior to the inroads of evolutionary ways of thought, which has very different views on the whole concept of the origin of sin and beginnings of mankind. But for most Bible believing Christians they held that the coming of Christ and His death was here being promised in Gen. 3, as He would crush Satan’s whole empire, strip him of his power and his tyranny over the human race. The promise was pointing to the incarnation of Christ Who would suffer the wrath of the serpent but by that very suffering on the cross, he “crushed” the devil’s head, defeating him forever. The protoevangelium also includes the thought that God always had the plan of salvation in place; as soon as sin entered the world, Christ, our surety, stepped in as the Savior. The whole great controversy is a war between Christ and the serpent and the prize is the people. Who will claim the people as his? The serpent or Christ? "For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. (1 John 3:8).
for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost Luke 19:10
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