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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure [Re: Elle] #186704
05/23/18 02:31 PM
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My comment : Another good concise X22 report of the current events. Dave does mention that the MSM(Mainstream Media) is starting to backpedal their RussiaGate claims (see sott article below). Also Dave concludes the same as Stephen about Trump strategy to push a division of Europe from the Deep State (Mystery Babylon) with the new Iran Sanction (see Stephen Jones' News article below).

X22: Q Asks Who Is In Control, Then Shows Us

May 21st, 2018



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NYTimes, WashPo, Guardian have started backpedaling on RussiaGate

https://www.sott.net/article/386310-NYTimes-WashPo-Guardian-have-started-backpedaling-on-RussiaGate

May 22nd, 2018

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Dividing Babylon to conquer it

May 21st, 2018

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In Genesis 11:8 we read about Babylon,

8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.

The present New World Order has proudly and openly modeled itself after Babylon.

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/eu-parliament-building-tower-babel-common/

Of course, the USA has also been part of the New World Order of Babylon, because this has been a world-wide system. Any government that has refused to submit to it has been sanctioned, invaded, or destroyed. But God is now dividing this modern manifestation of Babylon.

The EU Balkans summit on May 16, 17 saw a historic turn of events, centered around the Iran nuclear issue. The US government has withdrawn from the deal and has imposed sanctions on any country that does business with Iran. But the European countries have already set up business relations with Iran since the Obama administration concluded the deal, including the purchase of Iranian oil. They have gone too far to back out now.

Essentially, Trump has backed them into a corner, and so the EU has decided to defy the US sanctions and continue with the Obama plan. This has caused a major rift in the New World Order. On May 17, the EU officially decided to break with the US policy.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2...lationship.html

Washington’s unilateral withdrawal from the JPCOA was the last straw, forcing the collapse of Western unity. The Europeans found themselves up against a wall…

Washington does not shy away from threatening its allies with punitive measures but the EU is standing tall, deepening the rift…

The process of shifting away from America does not boil down to just words of indignation and open defiance. Plans are underway to take practical steps. For instance, the EU is to ditch the use of the US currency in its payments for Iranian oil. It can be done. Russia and Iran have already launched an oil-for-goods exchange program in order to leave the greenback behind…

Sandra Oudkirk, US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Energy, has just threatened to sanction the Europeans if they continue with the Nord Stream 2 pipeline project to bring gas in from Russia across the Baltic Sea…

Iran and Nord Stream 2 unite Moscow and Brussels in their opposition to this diktat. On May 17, Iran signed a provisional free-trade-zone agreement with a Russia-led Eurasian Economic Union (EEU) that seeks to increase the current levels of trade valued at $2.7 billion. The deal lowers or abolishes customs duties. It also establishes a three-year process for reaching a permanent trade agreement. If Iran becomes a member of the group, it would expand its economic horizons beyond the Middle Eastern region. So, Europe and Russia are in the same boat, both holding talks with Iran on economic cooperation...

May 17 marked a turning point in the US-European relationship.

What is happening here?

First of all, I see this as a prophetic repeat of Genesis 11:8, where God divided the people in order to force them to stop building their Tower of Babel. But what about the mechanics of this?

It is apparent that US President Donald Trump is the one who has divided Babylon. Or, to put it another way, Trump is at war with Babylon. In this way he also compares with King Cyrus, ironically, the Persian (Iranian) king who conquered Babylon. The Israelis recently struck a medal comparing Trump with Cyrus in order to honor him for moving the US embassy to Jerusalem on May 14, 2018. See it pictured here:

http://www.wnd.com/2018/04/new-coin-minted-to-fund-building-jerusalem-temple/

It looks to me like those who backed Trump in his run for the presidency, the so-called “White Hats” fighting the Deep State, are looking beyond US borders. It appears that they realize that getting rid of the Deep State in America must also include breaking the power of Babylon in Europe. So they devised an elaborate plan first to cause a rift between the US and the EU, which essentially breaks the power of the international bankers who have controlled the world for so long.

The Federal Reserve Bank is owned by twelve international banking families, who use the US dollar to rule the world economically and politically. But now the EU has decided to ditch the US dollar in their purchases of oil from Iran and Russia—and probably everywhere else. This will have enormous implications. It really marks the beginning of the end of US dollar hegemony. The decision to phase out the US dollar as the world currency is now out in the open.

The question is if this result was unforeseen by Trump and his backers or if it was part of the plan to overthrow the New World Order. From what I have observed, the Trump team has shown remarkable talent in its planning. Intelligent as he is, Trump did not come up with this plan, nor could he have implemented it by himself if he had tried. The plan now seems to be taking shape where we can see it for what it is.

I have often wondered if Trump is truly backing the Israeli state and Zionism. Was this decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem, for instance, really an indication of his support for Zionism? His daughter’s marriage to Jared Kushner, long-time friend of Netanyahu, makes it appear that Trump is truly a Zionist. But the real issue is whether Trump’s backers—those who devised this plan over decades—are Zionists. Do THEY know where most of these modern wars originate? I think that they do. They are part of the intelligence community, after all.

Here is my take on the plan.

I think Trump’s support of the Israeli state is part of a larger deception. He (or “they”) knew that to be successful, they had to “divide and conquer.” So they pushed divisive issues. The Zionist project has been very divisive for the past century or more, particularly in the Mideast. The Iranian issue is also divisive, given the fact that Obama made some sort of deal with Iran. The deal was not a treaty, because we have since learned that no papers were ever signed by either side. This gave Trump the perfect (legal) excuse to walk away from it.

https://hotair.com/archives/2015/11/25/o...egally-binding/

After walking away from the Iranian nuclear deal, Trump then imposed sanctions on Iran, forcing EU businesses into a corner. I think Trump knew that the EU would not be able to comply with his sanctions and that this would divide the New World Order. This is not just a clash of wills to see who will get their way. This is a calculated policy to divide the West in order to break the power of the New World Order (Babylon).

That policy is working, I believe, as planned. If not Trump himself, then certainly his backers knew how the sanctions would force Europe into this position.

Personally, I have opposed the US government’s support of Zionism (biblical Edom) as well as the use of sanctions. The use of sanctions is a short-term solution designed to pressure nations into complying with US policy. However, it has also brought about a reaction from China and Russia, who have been working to create an alternative system (CIPS) to bypass the Fed and the US dollar.

The New World Order has a long history of being short-sighted, including their use of journalists to skew honest reporting. In that case, eventually people would catch on and realize that the mainstream media is largely “fake news” designed to support the NOW. Soon it was no longer an independent media, but government controlled.

The same short-sighted policy is seen in the use of economic sanctions, where offending nations are no longer able to make payments or to receive payments through the SWIFT system which runs all payments through the Federal Reserve Bank. When the Fed blocked payments to and from sanctioned nations, it was inevitable that they would start thinking about setting up an alternative system.

And then it was only a matter of time before the SWIFT system became irrelevant and the dollar lost its power as well.

Now the time is ripe for division in the Babylonian camp. May 17 was a major turning point. In the guise of making Iran and Russia our enemy, Trump has forced the EU to make them their friends! You see, it is not just that the EU is dividing from America; it is that the EU is uniting with Russia! Whereas the previous policy of Babylon (the Brzezinski Doctrine) has been to treat Russia as the enemy of the West, Trump’s policy has brought Europe and Russia together.

Economic alliances are precursors to political alliances. The new pipeline from Russia to German though the Baltic Sea is one of those major factors, as the article above shows. Just a few years ago the EU supported the Ukrainian break from Russia, and the oil stopped flowing through the pipelines that passed through Ukraine. This was a blatant attempt to cut off Russia’s income and to supply Europe with oil and gas from American and European oil companies.

But Trump’s sanctions policy has now reversed this. The Ukraine government is not happy about the Nord Stream 2 pipeline in the Baltic Sea, which undermines the country’s strategic importance. As the Ukraine becomes more and more irrelevant in the bigger picture, they will come to regret breaking with Russia and joining with Europe.

The point is that the Brzezinski Doctrine, set forth in the 1994 book, The Grand Chessboard, has been failing ever since China began setting up its CIPS system to replace SWIFT.

https://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/...inski-doctrine/

Babylon’s worst nightmare is coming true with pipelines, railroads, and highways being built across Asia. It is called the Silk Road project. This huge project, financed largely by China’s banks, threatens to move the world’s center of gravity from Europe to Asia. That is what Brzezinski foresaw when he wrote his book above, and that is why he advocated a policy of containing Russia instead of befriending Russia.

Trump has merely taken that policy to its logical conclusion. I believe that he and his backers understood that the Brzezinski Doctrine would have the opposite effect in the long run. The capstone on this policy was the withdrawal from the Iranian nuclear deal and the increase of sanction. This has broken the back of the Brzezinski Doctrine and has forced Europe to join with Russia, Iran, and (by extension) with China.

In other words, the Eurasian Economic Union, first proposed in 1994 and signed into existence in 2014, will soon include the European nations. It appears that eventually the EU and the EEU could merge into a single economic union. That would bring a final end to the West’s war against Russia caused by the Brzezinski Doctrine.

The bottom line is that we ought to look most closely at Trump’s policies. In the short term, they seem ill conceived, but in the long term his policies are dividing Babylon in order to overthrow the New World Order. The only question is whether or not this is deliberate or inadvertent. Perhaps I am giving Trump’s backers more credit than they deserve, but my view is that they are quite intelligent and know exactly what they are doing.



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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure [Re: Elle] #186711
05/25/18 03:56 PM
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China's and Russia's Role in Defeating Mystery Babylon in Syria

My comment : In the article below, China has offered Syria great war reconstruction funds. One of the reason why Mystery Babylon (or the Deep State, Cabals, Banking Cartels, etc...) was trying to destroy Syria and put their banks and puppet ruler there, is because Syria is a very important trade route going to Europe.

Mystery Babylon with the aid of the controlled Western countries wants to control Syria for their Unipolar (One World) agenda; whereas China's is interested to develop Syria for the One Belt One Road (OBOR) project in promoting a Multipolar world by ensuring all countries maintain their sovereignty.

We see emphasized in this article and in the news that China's contribution to defeat Mystery Babylon is financial; whereas Russia is military. We know that Old Babylon was destroyed by the Medes(King Cyrus) and the Persian(King Darius). We know from scriptures and from the archeological finding of Cyrus' scroll that Cyrus contributed financially to reconstruct many countries cities and temples. Whereas it was Darius and his army that defeated militarily Old Babylon.

So we see a replay of the Old Babylon destruction which is a prophesy of the destruction of Mystery Babylon. This is confirm with Rev 16:12 that tells us that the 6th bowl poured on the earth for the destruction of Mystery Babylon involves the Kings of the Easts. Also the events being played since 2010 with China and Russia being the leading countries that is challenging Mystery Babylon today.

Today China is playing the financial role of Cyrus, King of the Medes. Whereas Russia's contribution is military as it was with Darius, the Persian King.

Enter the dragon: China’s crucial role in winning Syria peace

May 24th, 2018

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/427699-china-syria-business-peace/

Quote:
|"China is stepping up its involvement in Syria, not with its military, but with cash – and lots of it. For Beijing, war-torn Syria is a golden opportunity for reconstruction business. For Damascus, prosperity means peace.

... Beijing and Damascus are on the same page when it comes to envisaging the rebuilding of Syria through partnership.

... Firms from China are reportedly queuing up to win contracts for rebuilding entire towns and villages, roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, and communication networks devastated by nearly seven years of war.

... Russia and Iran certainly were crucial to President Assad’s forces winning the military war. But now it is China which is becoming crucial to winning the peace.

“Western powers are reluctant to help rebuild Syria after its civil war,” reported Bloomberg. “Because they think the wrong side won.” It seems that the US and European Union are deliberately withholding money as a lever on pressuring “political transition” in Syria, which is a euphemism for regime change. The Western powers backed a seven-year insurgency to topple Assad, but they lost. Now, it seems, what these powers couldn’t achieve militarily, they are trying to do through financial coercion.

Of course, if international law was fairly applied, the US and its allies should be mandated to pay war damages given their responsibility for unleashing much of the violence on Syria.

Unfortunately, that just and reasonable outcome is unlikely, given the inveterate double standards of Western powers.

...China’s involvement in Syria fits perfectly with its grand global vision of One Belt, One Road (OBOR) economic integration. Historically, Syria was a vital node in the centuries-old Silk Routes that fanned out from China across Asia to Europe and Africa. Today, Syria’s position as a strategic crossroads between Asia, Europe and Africa is no less important.

...That is why China is viewing Syria as an urgent priority. Without security and stability in the Levant, much of China’s global plans for reviving the Silk Roads are imperiled. No doubt, Russia is well aware of this essential part of the geopolitical jigsaw puzzle.

...One may surmise that Russia and China are working in tandem with regard to pursuing peace in Syria, albeit in a quietly spoken way. Russia’s military power played an essential role in bringing the violence in Syria to an end. But now China is taking on the task of turning the diminished violence into a viable, lasting peace through reconstruction and economic revival.

... Western machinations over Syria have been a failure. The illegal war that Washington, Britain, France and their regional partners prosecuted has been a miserable waste. Now those same villains are trying to delay Syria’s peace by using financial weapons.

But if China steps in with its colossal economic power, the attempted Western isolation of Syria will only turn out to be another huge loss. Ever the shrewd strategists, China can turn Western depredations into an immensely rewarding opportunity.

If Syria gets back on its feet with peace and stability, it will be China, Russia, Iran and the entire Eurasian region that are the big winners. Moreover, that strategic economic integration will also spell further demise for America’s global power.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure [Re: Elle] #186712
05/25/18 04:00 PM
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My comment : China is making good financial alliance with many countries in need. Here's some other recent alliances, beside Syria (see post above), made just in yesterday's news.

The Emerging China-Iran-Pakistan Alliance Is Directed Decidedly Against The United States

May 24th, 2018

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-2...t-united-states


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure [Re: Elle] #186759
06/04/18 01:23 PM
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My comment : Here's some misc. articles that I thought interesting from the news that I had tagged.

De-Dollarization Escalates: "African Economy Needs More Usage Of Chinese Yuan"
Jun 2nd, 2018
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-0...ge-chinese-yuan

The "Axis Of Gold" Will Drive Gold Higher by the End of 2018
May 26th, 2018
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-26/axis-gold-will-drive-gold-higher-end-2018

"A Calamitous Collapse": Former Podesta Group Employees Reveal Truth Behind Firm's Downfall
Aprl 19th, 2018
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-1...th-behind-firms

Belgium: First Islamic State In Europe?
April 24th, 2018
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-24/belgium-first-islamic-state-europe


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure [Re: Elle] #186760
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My comment : North Korea peace deal appears to be already agreed before the peace talk summit scheduled on June 12th as North Korea had destroyed their nuclear test site on May 24th.

https://www.rt.com/news/427716-nkorea-nuclear-site-video/

The MSM were caught in their lies once more.



Currently the peace talk summit is still on. North Korea has committed to denuclearized their country; but requires that other countries also gets denuclearized including Israel and Iran. This is what is being pushed ahead by the Trump team, Russia, and middle eastern countries.

Also, there is secret peace talk between Afghanistan and the Taliban people. If successful (which I think it will) then that's another country that the US troops will be removed.



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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure [Re: Elle] #186761
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My comment : Here's a very interesting interview of Robert David Steele , a former CIA officer with a broad knowledge of world affairs. In this interview he talks about Iran, Koreas, Jerusalem, Palestinians, Zionist, QAnon, GCR, & more.

ARTK#175 Robert David Steele - IRAN, KOREAS, JERUSALEM, PALESTINIANS, QANON, GCR, & MORE.



Notice how he differentiate between the Zionist and the Jewish people. The Zionist are satanist while the real religious Jewish people are not. At several places when he talks about Israel, he means the Zionists who are currently the leaders of the Jewish state, that brought the Balfour declaration in the 1940s and is stirring all this aggression with the Palestinians and the other middles Easterns countries. He says it is "Israel"(the Zionist) who are the real terrorist.

Basically he's saying that the Zionist project to create the Israel State is coming to an end.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure [Re: APL] #186771
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Originally Posted By: APL
From the link, quote: "Don't Fear - Intention Is What Counts"
Yeah, don't need to worry about the details, just what you feel is right.

"...there is no undisputed authority today to tell us the right calendar reckoning and end all the dispute we now see."

"That you want to celebrate the "festivals of Yehovah" (Lev 23:1,4) because they are from God is already pleasing to God."

Hmmm... They are from God, but we can't figure out when it is??? But everyone do just what they feel is right.
MmmHmmm.

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure [Re: Elle] #186772
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Currently we are in the 2nd passover watch dates
You can't even support when the Jewish year starts.....

??? Only a day difference from the Nehemiah Gordon Barley report and the Karaite Korner's Jewish Calendar.

https://escapeallthesethings.com/holy-day-calendar/

There are others who say it is a month difference. But that doesn't answer my question, You can't even support when the Jewish year starts.

Unless....you are saying the link says we are to look to Jerusalem. So in that case, when do you say the "spring Passover" for Argentina is?

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure [Re: Elle] #186774
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But old Jerusalem will never be a sacred place until it is cleansed by the refining fire from heaven. The darkest blot of guilt rests upon the city that refused the light of Christ. {Lt26-1895}

The city of Jerusalem is no longer a sacred place. The curse of God is upon it because of the rejection of Christ, the crucifixion of the only begotten Son of God. The darkest blot of guilt is upon Jerusalem, and never again will it be a sacred place until it has been cleansed by the purifying fires of heaven. When this sin-cursed earth is purified from every stain of sin, Christ will again stand upon the Mount of Olives; and as His feet shall rest upon it, it will part asunder and become a great plain, prepared for the city of God. {Lt100-1895}

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure [Re: kland] #186777
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Quote:
Elle : Currently we are in the 2nd passover watch dates

Kland : You can't even support when the Jewish year starts.....

Elle : ??? Only a day difference from the Nehemiah Gordon Barley report and the Karaite Korner's Jewish Calendar.

https://escapeallthesethings.com/holy-day-calendar/

Kland : There are others who say it is a month difference. But that doesn't answer my question, You can't even support when the Jewish year starts.

Unless....you are saying the link says we are to look to Jerusalem. So in that case, when do you say the "spring Passover" for Argentina is?

I have already answered you this several times. For sure, my expression level is not the best and not as clear as it should be. My last attempt was in this discussion March 8th, 2018 in #Post186153.

As you should know by now, I do NOT believe we are to look to Jerusalem to determine the Feasts watch dates (or even the Sabbath). As I have shared with you at least twice in the past in other discussion that God told us via the prophet Jeremiah and shown via Ezekiel that Jerusalem [old Jerusalem that is] is no longer the place where God's name [glory] reside.
Below is what we discussed in the Are the Feast Days and Sabbaths still Binding? discussion #Post172912, and #Post172974
Originally Posted By: post#172912
Originally Posted By: Elle
Originally Posted By: kland
It boils down to, do we look to Old Jerusalem or not. I believe Ellen White says not.

I agree.

Originally Posted By: kland
Therefore, we don't base our days from Old Jerusalem, we don't base our years from Old Jerusalem, we don't base our seasons from Old Jerusalem, and we don't keep the feast days and other rites and ceremonies of Old Jerusalem.

I agree.

Old Jerusalem was not always the location where to keep the feasts or other rites. In the law, the specific place to keep the feasts is NOT specified -- for a very good reason. The Lord foreknew that this location would change through TIME. The law says to keep the feast wherever His name/glory will be.

AV Dt 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:

AV Dt 16:2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there.

The place the Lord chose to place His Name/Glory changed location through TIME :

1. 40 years in the wilderness : His name/glory was manifested in the Sanctuary Tent depending on wherever the location they were encamping.

2. Shiloh : Reside there for about 400 years until it departed from there and never return back because of the corruption of the Priesthood (1Sam 4:21, Ps 78:59-69).

3. Jerusalem : Reside there for about 300 years until it departed from there and never return back because of the corruption of the Priesthood (Jer 7:11-14, Ez 10- 11)

4. Mt. Olives : Ezekiel saw the glory departing from the temple in Jerusalem and rested on the mountain on the east side of the city which is Mt. Olives.

Ez 10:18 “Then the glory of the LORD departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims…Ez 11:22 Then did the cherubims lift up their wings, and the wheels beside them; and the glory of the God of Israel [was] over them above. 23. And the glory of the LORD went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which [is] on the east side of the city.

Here’s some interesting notes about Mount of Olives :

a) It is 2000 cubits from the city which is considered “outside the camp” and “a Sabbath day’s journey.”
b) It is said that this is where the ashes of the red heifer was stored(Num 19:3)
c) It is the place where David made his sacrifice(2 Sam 15:30) which b) & c) both pointed to Jesus sacrifice.
d) It is the place where Jesus often went to pray
e) Also the place He ascended in sight of his disciples 40 days after He died(Acts 1:12).

5. Forehead of Believers : Then from the Mt.Olives the next place that the glory of the Lord was seen and manifested was at the upper room at Pentecost and the people there received an deposit of the Spirit.

AV Re 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. .

Where to Keep the Feasts & rites TODAY?

So according to the last revelation and where His glory/name was last manifested – at #5 location.

So my understanding is the place to keep the feasts today is between our two ears.


Below is expanding what I meant with "the place to keep the feasts today is between our two ears".

To add clarity to that statement, since we Christian should have and live with a New covenant understanding of the Old Testament writings... the symbolism of the Temple when Israel was in the wilderness during the 40 years of wondering or the Temple in Jerusalem during 300 years or so before it was destroyed by God the first time.....with a new covenant understanding Paul tells us this represents our body. 1Cor 6:19 "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you". We are individually or collectively the Temple of the Lord where His glory resides. 1Pet 2:5 "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ." This was the greater spiritual meaning that the Old Testaments writings were pointing to.

The Temple were His glory or name resides is not in the old Jerusalem, but it is in you and all of us. The Temple in the desert or in old Jerusalem was teaching us and pointing to -- God dwelling in US and what He is fulfilling in US via the feasts, all the sacrificial rituals, and other laws that points to greater spiritual things that is happening and more to come.

Since it is NOT the OLD Jerusalem we are to set the TIMES; but by the NEW Jerusalem (Paul explains this in Galatian 4) which represents a NEW Covenant type of marriage to God like Sarah had with Abraham. Sarah was a FREE Woman as oppose to the SLAVE Woman that Hagar represented. Hagar represented -- the Old Jerusalem -- that had an Old Covenant type of marriage with Abraham and was cast out. The old Jerusalem was cast out in Jeremiah's time. We need to get with God's revelation and understanding.

So below is what I said to you 3 years ago in #Post172974.

Originally Posted By: #Post172974
Originally Posted By: Elle
Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: elle
So my understanding is the place to keep the feasts today is between our two ears.
So you are saying we are to determine the beginning of the year from between our two ears?


Which beginning of the year are you referring to? Rosh Hashanah (day of Trumpet) or first of Abib? Rosh Hashanah literally means head of year. It is the Jewish recognize NEW YEAR.

http://www.chabad.org/holidays/JewishNewYear/template_cdo/aid/4762/jewish/What-Is-Rosh-Hashanah.htm

God created the evening (or darkness) before the day (or light). A new day starts in the evening after sundown. My understanding is Rosh hashanah(1st day of trumpet around fall equinox) is based on this pattern. The fall equinox is when the day time are mostly dark.

Rosh Hashanah is when I believe (like the Jews) the world was created thus when the earth calendar started.

Abib is not based on creation day, but based on Passover -- the spiritual birth. The month of Abib was a memorial set for the birth of God’s firstborn coming out of Egypt. (Ex 13:3,9; Deut 16:1; Ex 4:22) All needed to be circumcised to keep the Passover when they got out. As a new born nation, they got baptized in the red sea(1Cor 10:1,2). It was a new beginning for the nation --a new corporate spiritual birth experience. The Passover set the pattern of the beginning of the path of the new spiritual life. Other feasts shows other level of spiritual growth, but any spiritual journey all starts at Passover. That's what I understand the Lords means with Abib being the first month to you.

AV Ex 12:2 This month [Abib] [shall be] unto you the beginning of months: it [shall be] the first month of the year to you.

“First month of the year TO YOU.” This doesn’t mean that there ain’t any other first month of the year for the Lord.

Originally Posted By: kland
Meaning each person has their own personalized start of year...


There’s many type of starts of year and there’s many appointed times. The Hebrew word for feasts is mow`ed that means an "appointed time". There’s many appointed times other than the feasts. Also there's many calendars and time cycle other than day, week, month, and year that the Lord has establish and uses to make many events happen.

Some Points:

-I think Rosh-hashanah supercedes Abib 1 as start of year,

-the start of year from Abib was added during Exodus

-some appointed time were instructed to be observed 40 years later. (Only the Passover was observed in the Wilderness, however Pentecost and Tabernacle was only observed when they entered the promised land),

-the form of observance of appointed times were changed at the cross (sacrifice of animals, worship in physical Temples, Priesthood only of Levites bloodlines, etc…).

Originally Posted By: kland
Meaning each person has their own personalized start of year, widely different from the northern to southern hemisphere? For that was what was under discussion.


Concerning the first of Abib based on the barley ripeness and the sighting of the first crescent of the moon -- these were Types and shadows of greater things to come. You seem to be still stuck in the “Old Covenant” form of worship.

Jerusalem timing, northern to southern hemispher -- it is all irrelevant today. Jerusalem is no longer the place where the Lord’s name is located. The location has changed place like it changed location many times in the past :

i) when they entered Canaan,
ii)like it departed from Shiloh after the corruption of the Priesthood,
iii)like it departed from Jerusalem as told by Jeremiah and seen by Ezekiel.
iv)The new location for His name/glory to dwell is in our body temple.

Old Jerusalem was only a symbolism of greater things to come. Jerusalem was pointing to our body temple.

Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: elle
So my understanding is the place to keep the feasts today is between our two ears.
So you are saying we are to determine the beginning of the year from between our two ears?
Meaning each person has their own personalized start of year


Those that hear and follow Jesus does not follow their own thoughts, words, interpretation, or appointed time. They follow only the Lord’s appointed time. Much more than those of the feasts.


Spiritually speaking -- the overcomers(the matured Barley) OBSERVE the "new moons" (what the Lord does during the feasts time).


Kland you are both applying the New covenant incorrectly by saying the Feasts are no longer relevant when we all know that the Fall Feasts are still not yet fulfilled and still waiting for its fulfillment at Jesus 2nd coming; AND applying the Old covenant mindset when debating when to start the Sabbath and the feast dates according to the Old Jerusalem.

To repeat what I tried to tell you in #Post186153, to determine when to start the Feast year is by the EVENTS set by God and perceived by His people who can hear His voice and are watching what God is doing year after year during the Feast watch dates.

Every year God is fulfilling a step that brings His plan closer to His ultimate purpose in cleansing our body temple, individually and collectively. Not only the 144K's (the overcomers) body temple, but also the overall beleivers' body temple and the rest of the world's (unbelievers) body temple. The overcomers are the first tagma="squadron" to be cleans (see 1Cor 15:22-24); while the other 2 squadrons are cleans in different time.

The EVENTS are set by God(Eph 1:11 "...predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will")....and to my understanding, it is what sets when the Feast year starts. God fulfills major events on the feast dates. It is not by the old Jerusalem barley harvest time and the time of the first crescent of the moon or the Hillel calculations or whatever other means religious groups uses to set their feasts calendar.

So this year, the EVENTS set the year calendar just one day earlier than the Karaite Jewish calendar by which they go by the barley harvest in Jerusalem and the sighting of the first crescent by which to my view it is the most Biblical approach compare to other Religious groups calendar. I was not saying to use the Karaite calendar nor their methods...but just making the point that God's set dates by EVENTS was close to the Karaite's calendar this year.


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