Seems several on this thread have rejected the testimonies as being God's gift to light the way through the final great conflict...

Unfortunately of those who profess to believe the testimonies, there is a class that only adheres to their personal favorite "selected messages" … They select what they like and disregard everything else.

Instead of disregarding the Testimonies another class reads them in the light of a popular private understanding which is not the reading that EGW had in mind when she penned them. (The worst offenders often accuse me of doing that.)

God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by Ellen White, whom He has appointed heir of His Spirit of Prophecy, through whom also He made available to us the Testimonies because of which His Church shall be purged of her rejectors, shaken out that those who remain shall be safe in the glory of her excellent name. Heb. 1:1-4

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Elle, I'm trying to say, you often focus on the wrong thing.
1 Peter 5:8: seeking whom he may devour.

You focused on description.
The action is: Seeking to devour.

And Elle, another lost focus, the angel of the bottomless pit is not the same thing as having the keys to it.

Re 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

So does Satan have an evil angel over him?

So does Satan have an evil angel over him?

Yes....the adversary in a court of law is like a lion who seeks to devour(figuratively) you like an opponent in a court of law would. That's the context & setting of the adversary we deal with in 1Pet 5:8.
Tx for bringing this up and a good point. Yes I agree.


Rev 20 does not qualify that the angel of the bottomless pit of Rev 9 is Satan. Rev 20 doesn't even talk about the angel of the bottomless at all.

It only says that there's an angel with the key of the bottomless pit and he opened it up and chain satan -- so he wouldn't deceive the nations for a thousand years.

The bottomless pit is define as "the abode of the demons". Satan is in there as all other demon characters are there also. Also Rev7 says a bunch of locust came out of the smoke of the bottomless pit. Rev 11:7; 17:8 says there's beasts are from there too. So all kind of things comes out of the bottomless pit.

These locusts(symbolic term that represents in this case Islam) had a king over them that was said to be an "angel of the bottomless pit". So this angel can merely be "of" the bottomless pit and not necessarily THE angel of the bottomless pit, meaning he is the ruling angel over the bottomless pit. So that angel is not qualify as Satan in Rev 7 but only qualifies this angel as being the king over the bunch of locust.

So since Rev 20 doesn't talk about the angel of the bottomless pit no where, you have absolutely no Biblical text supporting your deduction.

Then I repeat....your word definition of abad and apollumi needs revising by re-reading how the Bible uses these words. It is by far only used to mean "destroy" but equally used as "lost" and "perish". So Abaddon is more accurately by its proper definition of 'abad as "the one that loses" than like you like to define it as "the one that destroys".


I really don't know. Something I haven't studied and I refuse to make assumptions. I know that you believe as we have been taught how to view some scriptures as Satan is the head. Maybe he is but since I haven't studied this I cannot answer. He could be the head and maybe he has someone else evil above him. But for sure the good angel that was given the key in Rev 20 is above Satan.

In the Book of Enoch Chapter 6 v.3 says Semjaza was the head of the fallen angels. I don't know if Satan is Semjaza or the Azazel character described in Chapter 8 and 9. For sure Semjaza and Azazel are two seperates angels. So I really don't know how to view this and I do need to study that question from scriptures alone.

But regardless if Satan is the head or not....coming back to Rev 20, it doesn't say anything about the angel of the bottomless pit. For sure Satan is an angel of the bottomless pit like any other angels that lives there.

What Rev 20 says is Satan got chained up because "that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

Again, the bible doesn't qualify Satan in Rev 20 as "the destroyer" but instead as the "deceiver" and that's why he is chained up and bound for a thousand years so he won't deceive the nations during the millennium.

Yes....the adversary in a court of law is like a lion who seeks to devour(figuratively) you like an opponent in a court of law would. That's the context & setting of the adversary we deal with in 1Pet 5:8.

Again Elle, is that idea disprovable?

If not, then it's merely a personally held opinion.

[i]1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary[antidikos,G476, an opponent (in a lawsuit)] the devil[diabolos,G1228,prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely], as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Seems several on this thread have rejected the testimonies as being God's gift to light the way through the final great conflict.