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Re: Was the first day of the week or Sunday ever made a day of worship? [Re: Rick H] #189605
05/29/19 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted By: Rick H
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Unfortunately, there are many who insist that the Ten Commandments that define sin, and are the only words physically written by the finger of God Himself, are equivalent to the rules given to direct our attention to the cross. A closer study of the word "forever" (owlam, Strong’s, H5769) would be helpful.

Exo 21:6
"Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him ‘for ever’." (owlam, Strong’s H5769)

Is Mr Peterson suggesting that in heaven, human slaves will serve their human masters "for ever"? Their servitude ended when they died. Just as the seven yearly sabbaths ended at the cross.

It is always fascinating to me, that those who support the Catholic attempt to change God’s definition of sin, focus their efforts on the Sabbath. If the definition of one sin may be changed, then surely all such definitions may be changed? By this logic murder, false witness, adultery, stealing etc. are all acceptable to God...
Or they change it to allow for idols.


Definitely!


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Was the first day of the week or Sunday ever made a day of worship? [Re: dedication] #191843
02/16/20 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by dedication
Oh, Elle, I can hardly believe the lengths you will go to, to try to accuse someone relating the simple Biblical story as a lie.

Your repeating your "liar" accusation, does not in the least convince me that those Disciples arrived in Emmaus in the middle of the afternoon, and returned to Jerusalem before dark.

Yes, it was the EVENING of the first day of the week. People in those days usually went to bed when the sun went down, they not having electricity etc. The sun was not yet down when they arrived in Emmaus.
HOWEVER, that evening the disciples back in Jerusalem, didn't go to bed, they would not sleep till they learned for a certainty what had become of the body of their Lord... thus they prolonged their "day" -- and yes, it was after dark, when the messengers from Emmaus arrived back in Jerusalem. Though they had not yet gone to bed, yet, from an actual reckoning of time, Sunday had already slipped into Monday and counting forward eight days, the count would be from Monday to Monday.
The next meeting with Jesus was on a Monday, or even Tuesday.

And of course that is the crux of your whole argument that Christ had to appear to the eleven during the daylight hours of Sunday. == Because Sunday observers have created a non-substantiated theory that Jesus only appeared to people on Sundays after his resurrection. But it is in that theory where the lie really lies.


The rest of your post was steeped in assumptions.
There are plenty of people who try to line up all the names and link them together and write stories that would fall under the term "historical fiction".

The assumptions come from this verse:
John 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the [wife] of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

1. How many women are mentioned? Some say three, some say four.
Jesus' mother, Jesus' aunt, a second Mary, and a third Mary.
So there is no absolute proof that Jesus' aunt was the same as the "wife" of Cleophas.


2. The word "wife" is supplied, it's not even in the original.
All it says is that there is some connection.
Also, how do you know the second traveler on the road to Emmaus wasn't Cleophas' wife? It would make more sense, really.
Usually husband and wife travelled together to the Passover in Jerusalem.
How do you know she didn't have to prepare the meal when they got home?
Why would she go home just hours before her husband? Women travelling without their menfolk wasn't really all that safe.

So really, what you presented is simply a field of speculation -- The possible variables are pretty large.



One thing from scripture -- Cleopas was NOT going home to Emmaus to tell important ladies the good news of the resurrection!!!
Scripture is pretty clear that he did not believe the news was true -- he didn't really believe the "ladies" who had shared their testimony that morning, and Jesus reprimanded him of being "slow of heart to believe."

If Jesus' mother and aunt were already there in Emmaus I'm pretty sure the Biblical account of Jesus arrival there would have been very different. Very different indeed!!!

No, those ladies were not there, we would have heard about it if they were. EGW's account makes WAY more sense, and fits scripture But your story most certainly adds all kinds of things to the Biblical account --










When twists or outright 'private interpretation' comes in, this seems to happen when we'll known and accepted truths are being resisted in some form or another.

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