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If one man takes his views of Bible truth without regard to the opinion of his brethren, and justifies his course, alleging that he has a right to his own peculiar views, and then presses them upon others, how can he be fulfilling the prayer of Christ? And if another and still another arises, each asserting his right to believe and talk what he pleases without reference to the faith of the body, where will be that harmony which existed between Christ and His Father, and which Christ prayed might exist among His brethren? {TM 29.2}
When a brother receives new light upon the Scriptures, he should frankly explain his position, and every minister should search the Scriptures with the spirit of candor to see if the points presented can be substantiated by the Inspired Word. "The servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth." 2 Timothy 2:24, 25. {TM 30.3}
I have been made very sad in reading the pamphlet that has been issued by Brother S. [SEE APPENDIX.] and by those associated with him in the work he has been doing. Without my consent, they have made selections from the Testimonies, and have inserted them in the pamphlet they have published, to make it appear that my writings sustain and approve the position they advocate. In doing this they have done that which is not justice or righteousness. Through taking unwarrantable liberties they have presented to the people a theory that is of character to deceive and destroy. In times past many others have done this same thing, and have made it appear that the Testimonies sustained positions that were untenable and false. {TM 32.3}
God is not the author of confusion, but of peace. But Satan is a vigilant, unsleeping foe, ever at work upon human minds, seeking a soil in which he can sow his tares. If he finds any whom he can press into his service, he will suggest ideas and false theories, and make them zealous in advocating error. The truth not only converts, but works the purification of its receiver. Jesus has warned us to beware of false teachers. From the beginning of our work, men have arisen from time to time, advocating theories that were new and startling. But if those who claim to believe the truth would go to those who have had experience, would go to the word of God in a teachable, humble spirit, and examine their theories in the light of truth and with the aid of the brethren who have been diligent Bible students, and at the same time make supplication unto God, asking, Is this the way of the Lord, or is it a false path in which Satan would lead me? they would receive light, and would escape out of the net of the fowler. {TM 54.2}
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: Charity]
#187842 11/16/1803:15 PM11/16/1803:15 PM
One more plea: Please consider friends the possibility that the warning in Daniel 12 that Ellen White says we need to understand is a warning of 3.5 years of persecution in the near future, possibly starting this spring, possibly sooner, possibly later.
PLEASE quote where EGW says this. Can you?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son!{ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: Charity]
#187845 11/17/1801:12 AM11/17/1801:12 AM
One more plea: Please consider friends the possibility that the warning in Daniel 12 that Ellen White says we need to understand is a warning of 3.5 years of persecution in the near future, possibly starting this spring, possibly sooner, possibly later.
PLEASE quote where EGW says this. Can you?
APL, this is the quote I had in mind:
Quote:
Let us read and study the twelfth chapter of Daniel. It is a warning that we shall all need to understand before the time of the end. There are ministers claiming to believe the truth who are not sanctified through the truth. Unless a change comes in their lives, they will say, “My Lord delayeth His coming.” [Matthew 24:48.] {Lt161-1903.6}
This prophecy above is being fulfilled today before our eyes by sincere men such as Mark Finley. For those who are interested I've posted some comments on his presentation which is featured here on Fulcrum 7. I also recommend reading the full letter from which the above quote was taken.
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: Charity]
#187853 11/17/1801:48 PM11/17/1801:48 PM
In the letter one of the main burdens of Sister White is to stress the point that Daniel 12 teaches character perfection and victory over sin. That is also central to the warning.
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: Charity]
#187854 11/17/1803:10 PM11/17/1803:10 PM
Mark - can you substantiate your you claim that Ellen White says there will be 3.5 years of persecution in the near future or not? I read your comments on F7. You have not sustained your claim. Can you give clear proof or not?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son!{ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: APL]
#187861 11/17/1809:22 PM11/17/1809:22 PM
Mark - can you substantiate your you claim that Ellen White says there will be 3.5 years of persecution in the near future or not? I read your comments on F7. You have not sustained your claim. Can you give clear proof or not?
You misunderstood APL. I admonished that we should take her counsel to heart to study the warning in Daniel 12. And then I gave some thoughts on my view of what she was getting at. What do you and others think. Why did she urge us to do that? Why did Christ Himself point us to this chapter and to the abomination of desolation?
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: Charity]
#187870 11/19/1809:05 PM11/19/1809:05 PM
You should watch the part of this video where Gate's face and eyes appeared to glow to Adventists and non Adventists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrSjNft6vS0&t=790s It reminds me of Early Writings where Ellen White describes the saints going from house to house with their faces aglow. Apparently for some people like Gates the start of the latter rain is now.
Ok, I had some time and couldn't help myself but to see what everyone was talking about. Was that the video you wanted us to watch? Because I sat through half of the 58 minutes thinking he was going to get to part about the church falling in the last half of it. But it didn't happen. While entertaining, and most was showing how God works at the last minute, I was disturbed when they broke the contract and Gates presumed that God would make up the money due.
58 minutes mostly wasted. And no, I did not see the part where "Gate's face and eyes appeared to glow to Adventists and non Adventists." He did claim a couple of people said that. Not condemning nor supporting Gates' claim, but it wasn't what you said we'd see.
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: Charity]
#187871 11/19/1809:20 PM11/19/1809:20 PM
One more plea: Please consider friends the possibility that the warning in Daniel 12 that Ellen White says we need to understand is a warning of 3.5 years of persecution in the near future, possibly starting this spring, possibly sooner, possibly later.
PLEASE quote where EGW says this. Can you?
Originally Posted By: Charity
Originally Posted By: APL
Mark - can you substantiate your you claim that Ellen White says there will be 3.5 years of persecution in the near future or not? I read your comments on F7. You have not sustained your claim. Can you give clear proof or not?
You misunderstood APL. I admonished that we should take her counsel to heart to study the warning in Daniel 12. And then I gave some thoughts on my view of what she was getting at. What do you and others think. Why did she urge us to do that? Why did Christ Himself point us to this chapter and to the abomination of desolation?
I'm with APL in that it came across that you said Ellen White said Daniel 12 means there is "3.5 years of persecution in the near future, possibly starting this spring, possibly sooner, possibly later". Especially with His Child and others saying the current pope, the current president, means such and such, this suggests that you discovered something in Ellen White's writings that pointed to 2019. Yes, we should study the warnings of the Bible, but studying warnings is different than setting a date for spring of 2019. And implying or alluding she said so. Maybe you're saying something totally different here, but that's not what came across. What came across is you are claiming new light that spring of 2019 something is going to happen. You see what credibility Elle has with 2012, and His Child has with popes and presidents. Be careful or no one will listen to you.
Would you agree or disagree that my quote from before applies here? Or at least why some would think that way?
I have been made very sad in reading the pamphlet that has been issued by Brother S. [SEE APPENDIX.] and by those associated with him in the work he has been doing. Without my consent, they have made selections from the Testimonies, and have inserted them in the pamphlet they have published, to make it appear that my writings sustain and approve the position they advocate. In doing this they have done that which is not justice or righteousness. Through taking unwarrantable liberties they have presented to the people a theory that is of character to deceive and destroy. In times past many others have done this same thing, and have made it appear that the Testimonies sustained positions that were untenable and false. {TM 32.3}
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