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We are not in the judgment time of the living, but we are so close.
APL, the SOP says "none no how soon" referring to the world. But the apostle affirms that it began in his day for the church:
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1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: APL]
#187928 11/29/1801:29 AM11/29/1801:29 AM
Do you APL and the rest of you all, brothers and sisters, think the world will come under judgment and the Lord not let us know? The first angel's announcement will be repeated with the power of the latter rain, "The hour of His judgment is come". That message will be authenticated by the blasts of the trumpets that also announce the impending doom and fall of Babylon. But that time of judgment is now for the house of God. We have to be sealed by the early rain in order to receive the latter.
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: Charity]
#187929 11/29/1803:00 AM11/29/1803:00 AM
Do you APL and the rest of you all, brothers and sisters, think the world will come under judgment and the Lord not let us know? The first angel's announcement will be repeated with the power of the latter rain, "The hour of His judgment is come". That message will be authenticated by the blasts of the trumpets that also announce the impending doom and fall of Babylon. But that time of judgment is now for the house of God. We have to be sealed by the early rain in order to receive the latter.
There are 2 ways to look at the First Angel's Message: "The hour of His judgment is come." Combine this with Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. WHO decides our destiny? WE DO. If we judge God to be gentle, good, faithful, joyful, peaceful, long suffering, someone you can love, someone you can put total trust in, that is what knowing God is like, and THAT is eternal life.
Or, you can fear (as be afraid of) God, because He will kill you if you don't love Him back, that is knowing God wrongly, and you cannot trust such an individual. That in the case of God will be death.
Yes, the hour of His judgment is come, who will judge God? Romans 3:4 God forbid: yes, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.
The shortness of time is urged as an incentive for us to seek righteousness and to make Christ our friend. This is not the great motive. It savors of selfishness. Is it necessary that the terrors of the day of God be held before us to compel us through fear to right action? This ought not to be. Jesus is attractive. He is full of love, mercy, and compassion. He proposes to be our friend, to walk with us through all the rough pathways of life. He says to you, I am the Lord thy God; walk with me, and I will fill thy path with light. Jesus, the Majesty of Heaven, proposes to elevate to companionship with himself those who come to him with their burdens, their weaknesses, and their cares. He will make them his dear children, and finally give them an inheritance of more value than the empires of kings, a crown of glory richer than has ever decked the brow of the most exalted earthly monarch. {RH, August 2, 1881 par. 6} It is our duty to love him as our Redeemer. He commands our love, and as a friend he invites our love. Christ's invitation to us all is a call to a life of peace and rest,--a life of liberty and love, and to a rich inheritance in the future immortal life. Why, then, should we resist his invitation and refuse his love? If we choose to live with Christ through the ceaseless ages of eternity, why not choose him as our best and most honored and loved companion here? Christ calls us to walk with him in this world in the path of humble, trustful obedience, which will secure a pure, holy, happy life. Which will we choose,--liberty in Christ, or bondage and tyranny in the service of Satan? It is our privilege to have a calm, close, happy walk with Jesus every day we live. {RH, August 2, 1881 par. 7} We need not be alarmed if this path of liberty is laid through conflicts and sufferings. The liberty we shall enjoy will be the more valuable because we made sacrifices to obtain it. The peace which passeth knowledge will cost us battles with the powers of darkness, struggles severe against selfishness and inward sins. The victories gained daily through persevering, untiring effort in well-doing, will be precious through Christ who hath loved us, "who gave himself for us that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people zealous of good works." The excellence of Christ we should seek to obtain. In the face of temptation we should school ourselves to firm endurance, which will not provoke one murmuring thought, although we may be weary in toiling, and in fighting the good fight of faith. {RH, August 2, 1881 par. 8}
John 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Do you know God as He truly is?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son!{ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: Charity]
#187930 11/30/1811:53 AM11/30/1811:53 AM
David Gates - Even at the Door. He mentions about keeping the "statutes". It's been my experience when those promoting "the last message", by "statutes" they mean feast days. Is that what David Gates believes and promotes?
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: Charity]
#187933 12/01/1812:47 AM12/01/1812:47 AM
David Gates - Even at the Door. He mentions about keeping the "statutes". It's been my experience when those promoting "the last message", by "statutes" they mean feast days. Is that what David Gates believes and promotes?
Gates doesn't observe or promote feast days. Let's be charitable and give others the benefit of the doubt. Some are quick to seize on a suggestion so for the sake of the weak let's not give them fodder for evil surmising.
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: Daryl]
#187940 12/01/1801:53 PM12/01/1801:53 PM
Here is another response to the David Gates "Even at the Door" video:
I posted a link to that video earlier on the thread and commented:
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A few nights ago I found this You Tube message from Paul Chapman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hc2npmJWQU that is also responding urgently to David's video. I'd never heard of him before. Chapman is an Adventist minister apparently from NZ or Australia who warns against setting a date for the close of probation for Adventists. His 15 minute video is much better than Finley's in spirit and content and he makes a valid point that we should not specify a time for probation to close for the world or the church but I was glad to see that many viewers were prepared to vigorously defend David's overall message and many of them did it very well. If fact they defended the message so well that Chapman felt obliged to post a further explanation in the comments below his video. I was a little concerned that he would undermine the influence of the message but instead I was glad to find that the message is having a powerful impact far and near to bring revival and the effect of the Chapman video is only to spread the message all the more.
And if you followed the Finley video posted on Fulcrum 7, you'd know that fewer were prepared to openly endorse the message there. Still, I could sense it was having an impact there as well. I don't doubt that the Lord is pleased with what David shared. This is not a false excitement but is a divine wake-up call and present truth imo.
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: Charity]
#187943 12/01/1809:35 PM12/01/1809:35 PM
I must admit that I am on the fence regarding David Gates. Many of you are far better informed on these issues than I am. What are your thoughts regarding these questions:
Does he really contradict Sister White? Does he actually specify a time, or is his message speaking of a season rather than a specific day? Why is the church leadership so determined to discredit him? Where was this vocal outrage when representatives from our church were clasping hands with the Pope in 2016? Where was this outrage when a practicing lesbian was baptized in California? Where is the outrage at the wholesale satanic slaughter of the unborn in our "medical" institutions?
Daryl, Mark, and anyone else with an opinion, I would be grateful for your thoughts on the questions raised in this video from Proclaim Him TV? https://youtu.be/52gY7Bsa4nE
"...I will not forget you. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."
Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: Charity]
#187947 12/02/1805:04 PM12/02/1805:04 PM
David Gates - Even at the Door. He mentions about keeping the "statutes". It's been my experience when those promoting "the last message", by "statutes" they mean feast days. Is that what David Gates believes and promotes?
Gates doesn't observe or promote feast days. Let's be charitable and give others the benefit of the doubt. Some are quick to seize on a suggestion so for the sake of the weak let's not give them fodder for evil surmising.
True. But I just asked a question as Gates did mention that. But he does seem to think there's some significance to events happening on feast days. Have there ever been an earthly event that happened on a feast day after Christ died? Heavenly event, yes. But I know of no earthly event that had significance. One could offer Pentecost. And perhaps that could be one. But was that event because of Pentecost or was it because there were people from all over coming together, that the purpose of the event was to inform the people. For if that was significant because of the day, then we have a problem with the event happening to Cornelius. So I say not.
All earthly events connected to feast days ended at the cross. The 2nd coming may or may not come on a feast day, but for us to associate an earthly event, such as the pope visiting someone, is not relevant. No one can even determine when the feast days are. There are quite a variety of people saying this day, that day, next month, last month. Use the barley, don't use the barley, use the equinox, don't, new moon before, new moon after, new moon closest. So for someone to say the pope came on a feast day is neither provable nor disprovable.
And Gates is guilty of exaggerating things. While there are others, and I think some here, who come across as Green on English words, he is exaggerating the wording being changed from 'imminent' to 'soon' for Christ's return. He said 'soon' could be 100 years or longer. (I go, "error") But let's go with that. If 100 years is no longer imminent but soon, and we've been saying Christ is coming back for over 100 years, would it not seem reasonable to change the wording from imminent to soon?
However, I say the words mean basically the same, and for sure it's not the downfall of the church. I'm sorry, but people lose credibility for me when they do things like that.
imminent Adjective about to happen, occur, or take place very soon, especially of something which won't last long.
soon Adjective Short in length of time from the present. I need the soonest date you have available.
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