I think the evidence is clear, for those who want to see, that Daniel 11 lines up with the other chapters.

Ah yes, further investigation shows he's big on that. Taking verses from one area of the Bible and saying they apply to another, no matter how far off, without any inspired writers doing so.

KJV only.
George Bush is an angel holding back the four winds of Islam.
Numerology with 9T page 11, Rev 9:11.

Seems like I heard the name before. I just stumbled across him on another topic. He sounds similar to some here. I will remember his name, now. Everyone seems to have a last day message, running before they are sent. Such repetitions of such ones cause me to tend to reject those who say they have new light before I hear what they say. I know we are supposed to listen and test, but after so many counting popes and presidents and then re-prophesying and re-prophesying trying to make their beliefs fit with reality is starting to get kind of old.

Maybe I should write a book about it....$

Questions:
Not who, but what is the king of the south? What does it represent?

Doesn't the papacy fall before the final end?

Re 17:16 "And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

Re 18:8 "Therefore her plagues will come in one day--death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.
9 "The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning,

Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will;
 
Yeah - that is speaking of the Papacy, after all it has such power, even being taken captive. Is that doing according to his will? NO! France fill the bill perfectly.
 
In many of the nations of Europe the powers that ruled in church and state had for centuries been controlled by Satan through the medium of the papacy. But here is brought to view a new manifestation of satanic power. ...This prophecy has received a most exact and striking fulfillment in the history of France. {GC 268-269}
 

The King of the North, cannot be the Papacy, because the Papacy is destroyed by second coming of Jesus Himself. 2 Thessalonians 2:3; “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” This is talking about the Papacy. Then in 2 Thessalonians 2:8; “And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:” The King of the North cannot come to his end during the plagues, and come to his end again at the Second Coming.

Of course Papal Christianity was involved in the "woes" of the trumpets in Revelation.
But the spread of the locusts are the Islamics.

"The "woe, woe, woe!" was pronounced upon a church who walked in the sparks of their own kindling, who did not derive their light and power from the great central Light, the Sun of Righteousness, and diffuse that light and glory to those who were in darkness." PH028.003.002

Notice -- it's a judgment AGAINST the church
The woes predicted that a false, Christless religion would arise to torment the Christian church.

A king of the south arises and fights against the king of the north. These two have been fighting each other since the 600's A.D.

The first woe--
Islam arose in the Arabian peninsula. (A SOUTHERN kingdom)
It is interesting that historians repeatedly refer to the rise and conquests of the Muslims as "locusts"!
Arabia is noted for its locusts.
Five months in prophetic time equals 5 X 30 =150 years. Historians usually place the starting date of the Saracenic conquests under Abu-Bekr, in the year 632 A.D. Between 632 and 641 they conquered Syria, Palestine, Persia, Egypt, by 709 they held all of northern Africa. In 711 they invaded Spain, and moved on into Gaul, where they were stopped by Charles Martel in the Battle of Tours in 732. Though "checked" they were by no means crushed, they continued to "torment" for another half century. It took another two generations for the Franks to drive all the Arab garrisons out of what is now France and across the Pyrenees. Charles Martel's halt of the invasion of Islamic conquests, and the unification of the Frankish kingdom would lead to the "Holy Roman Empire".

By 762 the Saracen Empire started into a new phase,they began to concentrated on luxury and taking their ease. By 782 war was no longer their passion.

The Muslims released during the fifth trumpet, were not to destroy the church but to "torment" the church.

Did the Christian world repent?

Nope.
The fifth trumpet was the first judgment on the apostate church. The Moslem hordes were sent to "torment". But, did this trouble cause the Christian church to repent and turn to God in humble obedience and faith? No! We look in the history of the Christian church and see that the years following the fifth trumpet, the papal powers persecuted the true believers ruthlessly, especially as the papacy gained more and more power between 1000 - 1500 A.D. Would God simply allow this tyrannical church to trample His people or would He send retributive judgment against them?

Thus the second woe comes upon the them:

The Islamic nations unify and become a powerful empire and do serious damage against the church.
Again this is war between the king of the south (Islamic) and the north (papal Christianity).

Though terrible times, it was also a great blessing for the armies were busy fighting Turks and didn't have time to search out and destroy the so called "heretics". This in turn allowed the reformation to gain a foothold and flourish. The popes were busy with their battles with the "king of the south" and were distracted from their mission to crush the reformers.

So once again -- the second woe was a lot of battles between the king of the north and the king of the south.

The third woe --
I believe is another big battle where the king of the south (Islam) attacks in a pushing manner. (11:40) (Exactly what they are doing -- not outright war, but a more devious, frightening manner, with terrible outbreaks, sort of pushing the "king of the north" to retaliate.

And, according to the prophecy he will retaliate in a big way. It will appear that he is winning, but obviously he is highly threatened by something -- As he orders death decrees on many.
I believe it is voices sounding the three angel's message showing that the papacy IS not the one bringing in the "kingdom of truth and peace" that he is professing to be. Christ is the TRUE King of the North.
The earthly king of the north in the ultimate conflict is a counterfeit of Christ.

It has been Satan's ambition to set his throne "on the sides of the north" to be like God.
Isaiah 14:13 I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:


The third woe -- is the final showdown.
The nations are angry -- the earth is being destroyed.
God is judging. And finally Christ comes.



That's like telling the story
-- A big bully was making a lot of trouble for the school kids. But he was stopped. The principle stood up for the kids, there followed one big terrible fight, but the kids lived in peace after that.

So -- does that paragraph mean, the bully was stopped BEFORE the principle stood up, or that the process of stopping him was begun WHEN the principle stood up, and completed shortly thereafter?

The problem is that you are depending on an uninspired break into a new chapter, and punctuation, dividing those verses, as if it were moving into a different story, when the original gives the story in one continuous flow.

But know -- the king of the south agitates for a fight, the king of the north defeats the king of the south and sets himself up as supreme.
Probably chanting Ps.48:2
Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

This is the means by which he will seek to establish the "one world religion" People are now being trained to expect "a messiah" etc. etc. in Jerusalem, and a lot of things will happen to make it SEEM like the millennium is about to begin. But don't be deceived! -- he comes to his end (it doesn't say he died)-- but His power ends BECAUSE Christ stands up for His people and even though he puts up a last desperate fight, all support leaves him, and it marks his end.

Babylon falls!
Revelation 17 shows the ten horns turn against Babylon.
And no, symbolic Babylon is NOT the Islamic nations.

That great system (King of the North) loses it's power and support a short time before it is destroyed by the brightness of Christ's coming.

I'm depending on a chapter break? NO!! What is the next thing that happens after Daniel 11:45? Daniel 12:1 - no artificial break, just a continuation of the timeline. If anything, you it you creating a break. The timeline says the KoTN comes to his end, THEN Michael stands up.

Da 11:32 "Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits.
33 "And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering.
34 "Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue.
35 "And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.

Dedication, is this referring to the papacy?
He will come to his end at the appointed time. Is this the deadly wound?

Da 11:36 "Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.
37 "He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all.

So if you follow the same pattern as previously shown in Daniel, where one kingdom falls and another rises, who is this new king and the "he"? Should it be the one who rises after the papacy suffers the deadly wound? Who is that?

Good questions, Kland

Yes, I think we agree those texts (30-35) are about the papacy.
Notice verse 35 doesn't say he "came to his end"
it says "it is still for the appointed time."

Verse 36 Doesn't say "there arose another"
It simply says, "then the king shall...."

Now let's assume vs 36, does mark the transition point in the papacy. His political power receives the "deadly wound" persecution ceases.

We still need to remember -- it was the political power that received the "deadly wound", the papacy as leader of his church continued.

What is rather remarkable is that the papacy made up for it's lose of political power, by making some of the most blasphemous claims yet. Definitely "exalting himself" !!

Claiming the prerogatives of God, was nothing new for the papacy, but now it reached new heights. As papal power waned, papal pretensions increased.

Pope Pius IX's called for the convening of the First Vatican Council on December 8, 1869.
In July 18, 1870, the Council promulgated the dogma of Papal Infallibility.

The concept of Ultramontanism was established -- this was a reaction against the growing secular control. It was basically established to bind the church close to the papacy, asserting the need for concentrating authority in the pope’s hands. Ultramontane centralizes the authority of the church in Rome so as to escape from the control of the secular state.

Thus we have a dogma of Papal infallibility proclaimed in 1870
We see the internal affairs of the Catholic church controlled by the Roman Curia world wide.

The proclamation of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception in December 1854 represented a distinct triumph for the Ultramontanes, as the whole affair was deliberately staged to dramatize the authority of the "Holy Father".

Pius IX was the first modern pope to use "grand scale audiences" to develop the "devotion to the Pope".
Idolatry to the papacy was voiced by his observers, as if it were God Himself among them. "The Holy Father" is revered while scripture says in Matt. 23.9 "Call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
This of course, has grown to unbelievable heights of adoration, not at all limited to Catholic members.

So basically what happened --
The papacy lost political control.
It quickly started programs of "papal exaltation"
"he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god"

and it would work -- he would prosper (until the wound was totally healed)

Yes, the one who received the deadly wound, exalts himself and revives, till his wound is healed and in verses 40-45 he plays his final game.

No, if you read it carefully it does not say he comes to his end then....

It says "yet he shall come to his end" (that is a future sense)
He is GOING to end...

It doesn't say "then (as in after that) Michael stands up.
But "AT THAT TIME Michael stands up.
This is clearly connecting the ending process of the kofN WITH Michael standing up. The plagues will fall, KofN's support dries up. His power evaporates.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

He shall come to his end, and none shall help him - AT THAT TIME, Michael stands up, probation closes and the full on time of trouble comes. But of course, you are free to read it the way you want to, for much of what YOU add is an interpretation, with added words and you object to the word "then"? The time line is straight forward, and the idea of my breaking it up at the artificial is chapter breaks is pretty funny. The majority pioneer view does not match your new view, and your view does not match the geography, all of which are relevant to the topic.