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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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01/30/19 10:26 AM
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The clear Scripture is that of the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur). Please demonstrate how. The Testimony of an eyewitness is that of Ellen White, she was taken in vision to Heaven and related in her writings of that which she saw. I do not hold to Ellen White, so any appeal to her or her writings is invalid. As it was in the days of Noah (the majority did not believe that his message was significant for them) when you explain away the importance of Ellen White, you won't receive the Blessing that God intended for you to have. More evidence won't help.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
[Re: Nadi]
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01/30/19 09:00 PM
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At no point does the Bible ever say "Choose now, because the ability to choose will come to an end." As in speaking of a time of probation.
Again, ... Re 19:21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.
I think they are dead, don't you?
When did they make their decision? Before that time, right?
Re 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
So would you agree, that they have made that choice prior to the physical second coming? So, kland, at this point I really have no idea what you are trying to drive at with this dead thing. I have stated my position. It would help me a lot if you would simply state your premise and supporting evidence. That would help to clarify views. You said that the Bible doesn't support the ability of choosing coming to an end prior to the second coming. I showed otherwise.
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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The clear Scripture is that of the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur). Please demonstrate how. The Testimony of an eyewitness is that of Ellen White, she was taken in vision to Heaven and related in her writings of that which she saw. I do not hold to Ellen White, so any appeal to her or her writings is invalid. As it was in the days of Noah (the majority did not believe that his message was significant for them) when you explain away the importance of Ellen White, you won't receive the Blessing that God intended for you to have. More evidence won't help. His Child, you haven't given him a reason for holding Ellen White of significance.
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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01/30/19 11:22 PM
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You said that the Bible doesn't support the ability of choosing coming to an end prior to the second coming. I showed otherwise. What I said was that the Bible does not support the idea of a close of probation, ie: that the ability of all humanity to choose Christ has come to an end, and all the people still living on the earth can no longer choose. THAT only happens at the physical second coming. For the individual, the ability to choose comes to an end at their death, but the rest of humanity can still go on choosing. When your Grandfather died, his choice was sealed. But not your father's or yours. For him, and him only, the choice is made; he has done what he has done; he has chosen what he has chosen. And the same is true at anyone else's death. But the rest of humanity continues to choose. But there never comes a time when the option to choose is closed for all humans still living. If you are alive and on Earth, you may still choose. Right up to the second coming.
"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
[Re: Nadi]
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02/01/19 03:09 PM
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What I said was that the Bible does not support the idea of a close of probation, ie: that the ability of all humanity to choose Christ has come to an end, and all the people still living on the earth can no longer choose. THAT only happens at the physical second coming.
And I showed that to not be true.
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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02/03/19 03:06 PM
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The clear Scripture is that of the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur). Please demonstrate how. The Testimony of an eyewitness is that of Ellen White, she was taken in vision to Heaven and related in her writings of that which she saw. I do not hold to Ellen White, so any appeal to her or her writings is invalid. As it was in the days of Noah (the majority did not believe that his message was significant for them) when you explain away the importance of Ellen White, you won't receive the Blessing that God intended for you to have. More evidence won't help. His Child, you haven't given him a reason for holding Ellen White of significance. The Lord states in 2Ch 20:20 "And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper." Those who make up their mind that Ellen White is of no significance to them have determined that she is not a prophet of the LORD. From the discussion it appears that the mind is made up. A ton of more evidence will not change that. I do discuss that in my book "The Day Dawns" (free reading to those who have Amazon Prime). And Today My new book (175 pages) is going to print that gives a little more evidence as it nails down Daniel and Revelation as they apply to last days events.
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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02/03/19 06:01 PM
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The Lord states in 2Ch 20:20 "And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper." While the Lord did in fact say this, there is no credible evidence that EGW falls into this category. Those who make up their mind that Ellen White is of no significance to them have determined that she is not a prophet of the LORD. From the discussion it appears that the mind is made up. A ton of more evidence will not change that. To be fair, I should mention that at one time I was a strong supporter of EGW. However, as I continued to examine the issue, I realized that she was actually the product of a brain injury resulting in frontal lobe epilepsy, myth, legend, and lies. I do discuss that in my book "The Day Dawns" (free reading to those who have Amazon Prime). And Today My new book (175 pages) is going to print that gives a little more evidence as it nails down Daniel and Revelation as they apply to last days events. Given your repeated failures to accurately interpret prophetic Scripture, contra to Scripture and SOP, coupled with your Americentric theology, one wonders if YOU yourself even believe EGW. This has seriously damaged your credibility, and I do not take you seriously. Entertaining, yes. But not seriously. Just sayin'.
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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02/05/19 03:44 PM
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His child, will you stop with the promoting of your books, and attempt to intelligently join the conversation?
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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02/05/19 03:47 PM
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To be fair, I should mention that at one time I was a strong supporter of EGW. However, as I continued to examine the issue, I realized that she was actually the product of a brain injury resulting in frontal lobe epilepsy, myth, legend, and lies.
Would you agree that there is a spirit of prophecy in the last days? His child claims the gift of the spirit of prophecy. I would agree with you on your conclusion there with ample apparent evidence. But how does one go about determining whether someone has or has not the spirit of prophecy? How did you specifically decide Ellen White did not have it?
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Re: God is wrapping it up!
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02/05/19 05:54 PM
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Would you agree that there is a spirit of prophecy in the last days? This is a really big question, and much depends on one's understanding of the phrase "spirit of prophecy" and "last days." The short answer is "YES" His child claims the gift of the spirit of prophecy. His Child most definitely DOES NOT have the spirit of prophecy. I would agree with you on your conclusion there with ample apparent evidence. But how does one go about determining whether someone has or has not the spirit of prophecy? How did you specifically decide Ellen White did not have it? Also a big discussion. I am happy to share my experience with you if you are interested. The short answer (again) is that the more I studied SDA theology/doctrine the more discrepancies I found. When you stop allowing EGW to interpret Scripture for you you find that EGW and the Bible are saying vastly different things.
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